Thread regarding Altice USA (Cablevision) layoffs

Did IBEW 827 sell Oakland out?

It sure feels that way and after talking to my fellow techs I’m not alone. I was all for the union for job security but it doesn’t feel like that’s even attainable. Impossible metrics to accomplish, forced to ATS, paying more on benefits, no OT. Just wondering what else is coming. Where are you IBEW 827? Did you sell us a dream and abandoned us when contract was finalized? Sure feels that way.

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101HsqKH-3htx, According to my shops steward, no VRP until replacement personnel are guaranteed by ATS for the techs that take the buy out. That was also the info that was in the “in the loop” edition 26 news letter. I wish what you were saying was true, because then I would have my VRP in place, and just be counting down the days! 😁

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Post ID: @3jqx+101HsqKH

It sure feels that way and after talking to my fellow techs I’m not alone. I was all for the union for job security but it doesn’t feel like that’s even attainable. Impossible metrics to accomplish, forced to ATS, paying more on benefits, no OT. Just wondering what else is coming. Where are you IBEW 827? Did you sell us a dream and abandoned us when contract was finalized? Sure feels that way.

You guys should have voted for metrics to be eliminated & have flat raises, that’s what Freeport/Bethpage have in their contract. I don’t understand when you say you were forced to join ATS, can you please clarify? Why are you paying more on benefits, benefits should remain how they were before you voted for union, I know that’s what Freeport/Bethpage have in their contract. OT? No union can guarantee any OT, that’s up to the company.

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Post ID: @3ehb+101HsqKH

@101HsqKH-2guo

Your the one who is misinformed. The union has no control whatsoever with the VRP. NOTHING!!! The final decision is & always will be with Altice. The union can only make suggestions/recommendations. Final decision is once again, with Altice. It does not matter whether your a union or non-union shop. If you qualify for it, then you can receive it. BTW, if you guys didn’t all agree on flat raises & decided to stay with the current system, that Altice will continue to make completely unachievable, then that’s 100% your fault, not the unions. Also someone here said the union promised that OT would be available. The union does not dictate how & when OT will be used, again this is entirely up to Altice only. I can’t believe that I even have to say that🙄🤔.

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Post ID: @3htx+101HsqKH

Ats was owned by altice Europe during initial offering and was sold to USA for a buck right before an agreement was made with Oakland. This is what prevented access to your cash balance. Why would you even want to cash out prematurely anyway?

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Post ID: @3bzi+101HsqKH

@101HsqKH-2ibk No pension access was the statement. When Altice first told us about ATS one of the statements was you will be able to either withdraw your pension or roll it over to your 401k if you go to ATS. Oakland was not allowed.

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Post ID: @2pgt+101HsqKH

101HsqKH-2ibk, your misinformed on the unions shops ability to take the VRP. There is no guarantee as the union is holding up the offer trying to dictate terms to Altice on how they can or should staff the work force. It was all in the email. I may be speaking out of turn here, but I don’t think there is any type of requirement for Altice to offer VRPs across a foot print, and they would be well within their rites to end the offer, as planned, without the union shops ever having a chance to accept, because the union is only worried about the techs left after every one who takes the buy out moves on with their lives.

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Post ID: @2guo+101HsqKH

I’m sorry that all of you guys are having these problems with your union. I just wanna state a couple of facts. First, no union can guarantee OT with any company, did your union actually promise this to you guys in writing? Second, the union cannot negotiate something that you never had with the company. I saw someone say on here they were disappointed with having no pension. Are you kidding me, we’ve never had a pension with Altice. The only pension we ever had was when it was Cablevision, & they stopped that about ten years ago. I understand that everyone is upset with what’s going on with Altice now, but you have to be realistic, this company’s main goal is to get rid of all in house techs. What did you guys expect to get from the union? This company was extremely difficult to negotiate with & I know that cause I was at the negotiation meetings. Our union was able to negotiate flat raises for everyone after 2019, metrics are gone after that. We all agreed on this & it’s now in our contract. Did you guys agree on flat raises, or continue to stay with the metrics & be based on your peers? We have in our contract that we’re the primary workforce & that if there are layoffs contractors go first. Is this something that was agreed upon with your shop? All of our benefits stay the same as they were before, medical, dental, 401k, vacation, personal, sick. I know what you guys are thinking, we already have that what’s the big deal. Well with this company we need to have everything in writing or else it’s just a matter of time before they eliminate it. Our union held many meetings before our contract was ratified & answered any questions or concerns we might have with no problem. Everyone is still able to get the VRP if they qualify, whether your a union shop or not. Don’t know why anyone would think otherwise. Bottom line is that if you wanna work here you need to have union representation & have a CBA, without it your as good as gone. At will techs will be gone before any union techs, that I can tell you is certain.

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Post ID: @2ibk+101HsqKH

101HsqKH-1gcg, I agree with you %100. The union identified the Scum bags and are playing up to them. The union does not care about the techs that come in, do their routes, and don’t cry. It’s a lost cause, the union is a cancer, that will not stop spreading until Altice is eaten up.

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Post ID: @2dvx+101HsqKH

This idea that the Unions holding all these meetings so we can speak our mind.... BS.

Every time i ask a simple question i cant get an answer, or is some vague BS that avoids the question.

Talk to job stewards, they dont know wtf is going on and tell me to call the Union rep who doesnt answer my questions either.

And why is it the union can rent out a place to hold a meeting after work (people have families) and all they talk about is workmans comp?? Then they complain when people dont show?

Wtf? Dont give me your lawyers (friends) info so they can make an extra buck. Talk about things that actually affect me here and now and as part of the negotiations.

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Post ID: @1gcg+101HsqKH

Talk to them about what?! Most of the time they don’t even return our calls. Have a meeting and say “hey we don’t like doing actual work, we want to do 2 jobs a day”! They’ll laugh us out the room.

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Post ID: @1jyg+101HsqKH

Extensive managerial rights you the techs have to have a serious meeting with the union and yourselves and act like a team and work safely and perform quality work speed does not fall into that category your stressed because you want to be stressed contractors are cutting corners and are being unsafe to get these numbers. We are in-house get on the same page we know how many safe jobs you can do in a day document screenshoot everything you as a tech have control of your work and mr punctuation period man with your two cents FOH.

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Post ID: @1zdi+101HsqKH

@101HsqKH-1oxn Altice is stealing from us by not giving us OT and giving more work to contractors, unrealistic goals to accomplish which will result in bad reviews so there will be no raises given or low raises if any given. The union was suppose to protect us from this and this is some of the reasons we unionized. Guess we’re screwed either way.

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Post ID: @1sya+101HsqKH

The unions also seem to be stealing our opportunity to get off this sinking ship with a buy out. Get out of the way and let the union shops get our buy outs, and get away from this dumpster fire!

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Post ID: @1lhq+101HsqKH

The difference is that the unions are stealing money from us. Altice is stealing money from their customers.

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Post ID: @1oxn+101HsqKH

@101HsqKH-1imm I have all the reasons to complain since I’m paying for a service not is not being rendered. I attended every meeting and asked many questions. We were told that transferring to ATS would be negotiated and it wasn’t. So no finders fee and no pension access. We were told OT would be available and that’s a lie. We were told nothing would change unless negotiated but everything is changing and IBEW 827 is just sitting on their hands collecting my dues. Would you complain if you paid for services not rendered? Bet your sweet ash you would.

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Post ID: @1xod+101HsqKH

Didn’t your union hold meetings before contract negotiations even started to get an idea of what techs wanted in their contract? Did everyone from your local come & speak with everyone at these meetings to introduce themselves & let them know what their positions are? I hate to say this, but if your one of the techs who don’t go to any union meetings & don’t even go to vote for your contract, then you have absolutely no right to complain. I only say this cause out of about 200 techs total in our shops only 46 came out to vote on our contract. Every one of these techs were informed over & over & over & over & over of where & when union meetings were held & when vote was held, but still only 46 techs out of about 200 showed up to vote & MUCH less were at any meetings. Luckily the majority voted yes & contract was ratified about a month ago. Once again, if you didn’t show up to vote & didn’t show up to any meetings you cannot complain or question anything.

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Post ID: @1imm+101HsqKH

Say it isn’t so! The unions are crooks!

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