Thread regarding Frontier Communications Corp. layoffs

It's amazing that people with 20 years or more are still here. Are they so ignorant that they cant see the cliff? It amazes me.

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Frank,
How is it still living with your parents?

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-nsxs

Everyone with 20 plus years were trained by people with 30 plus years before they retired. They wete taught to treat this as a career and a trade not just some job. All you young guys still don't get this. You show up right before shift starts and first ones out of the gates before shift ends. You never been held accountable by Frontier as all of the Veterans were by GTE/ Bell Atlantic- Verizon. The management has no skills and have hired people with the same ignorant skill sets that relate to the job. Frontier came in with attitude who bought who to the older personel and at end of day those same clowns are bankrupting the company with that attitude.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-5wah

Frank when do they give you time at McDonalds to make so many posts on here? Maybe you should be working on your training skills. What a horrible trainer you must have been, spending more time analyzing people for their faults and treating them like id–ts instead of teaching. I really don't understand why you're even posting on here. Not a single positive contribution. You sound like a disgruntled employee.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-4xds

I can’t believe Frontier/Verizon even contributes to a pension for these people. I’m sorry but the majority of the employees I trained were barely more qualified than fast food workers. I would even tell employees to go flip burgers if they didn’t like Verizon and they would just give me blank stares. The main reason Frontier failed was because of the dumb employees and IBEW.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-4ofr

One simple question, why would anyone leave a high paying job while the paychecks are still coming in? Let’s not be stupid here, every other telecom in the country pays way less. It is ok to start looking for new opportunities but get real when it comes the reality of what a new paycheck will look like.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-4jrt

Better be willing to take a pay cut to stay then - young or old. It’s going to be $15/hr for all once Frontier has its final say.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-3tpo

It is evident Frontier is in financial trouble. However, years of service and/or 76 points does not constitute leaving the company. People were telling me I should retire because of my longevity with the company. I was offered a buyout a few years ago but was not able to go until this July with more than 30 years of service and I am not 60 yet. The Lord has seen me through all the changes of the unknown GTE/Verizon/Frontier, financial problems, and a health issue that could have taken my life. People do what you feel in best for you. Invest what you can and see a financial planner 1-2 times a year. Ignorance would be to allow someone to make this type of decision for you that is not walking in your shoes. God bless you all in your decision.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-2xmv

Gamblers ! Know when to Fold! Know when to walk away and count your Lump sum!

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1wpg

A lot of you commenting on what us "older" people should do obviously don't understand how pensions work, or are protected. You see, us older folks with 20 + years, unlike you all, have been meeting with a financial adviser (Google it) for years. Don't worry about us. We'll be fine.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1pyp

How can you possibly expect a buyout of a contract that does not exist

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1awc

Frontier is outsourcing the maintenance of their network to India.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1sss

I have 20+ years and I’m in my 40s but my age and seniority don’t equal 76 yet. In a few more years it will and I’ll be gone with my pension that I EARNED and deserved. You on the other hand will still be there or at some other job complaining. Worry about what you’re going to do, not about us. We know exactly what we’re doing.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1xhd

It's so bad food trucks don't even want to show up anymore. They're embarrassed too.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1rvj

I disagree. I think anyone under the age of 40 should jump ship while they are still young enough to start over somewhere else. Those with 20 plus years have a lot invested in company and will see it to the end. I also don’t understand as to why someone who is already at retirement age would risk the ability to take a lump sum by sticking around.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1vuw

When you are close to retirement, and have worked for a company over 20 years, it is hard to find someone to hire you when you are 60 plus years old. In addition, who is going to offer retiree healthcare benefits in a new job? However, Frontier is trying to get rid of us and replace us with vendors they don't have to pay benefits to. They would rather pay for cheap labor and people who constantly screw up customer orders. They are now trying to write up employees for every little thing so they can replace them with vendors.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1vxe

I think the general statement of "anyone with 20 years+ are out of their minds to gamble staying here" is coming from a certain viewpoint. People with say 5yrs or even 10yrs cant imagine even having the choice at a lump sum of several hundred thousand dollars. Many in the 5-10yr group will never even have a chance at "making that choice" so from the outside looking in, it seems "crazy" to not just run and take say, $400k at age 50. Even though as a 45 or 50yr old you still kids in college, a mortgage, 20yrs of building a 401k yet, 15-20yrs until soc sec & Medicare are available (yes I know retirees with 'golden number' have great healthcare, but that can disappear contract to contract and is not guaranteed) and so on....to someone 30 with no shot at ever taking several hundred thousand in a lump sum it appears "dumb".

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1lcr

The problem is that the seasoned employees at Frontier aren’t even qualified to flip burgers. I used to get frustrated with the employees when I trained them back at in the day because of their basic lack of comprehension. I see fast food in many of your futures.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1lpg

The reality for most of us "above 15+ years" is most of us live in a high cola. The pay is better then most jobs. And we will NOT find another with this pay scale. Might as well hang in for the long haul and add more money to pension and 401k. Oh and i am too young to retire.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-1yio

The union should negotiate with frontier and give its tenured members what they want - early retirement options or a surplus package to leave and make a clean break. They already allowed new low wage workers to come into the FL call center. Those are the tenured members replacements! More will arrive as soon as frontier can find them. They are in the same building already! That signaled to frontier that they will be able to lower everyone's wages if they just play hardball long enough.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-oyu

I started back with GTE. Went through the GTE Verizon merger. Then Verizon sold out to Frontier. I retired last year with 30 years behind me. I am still too young to retire and went to work for another company. I love GTE and working for Verizon was awesome but Frontier ran this company into the ground with bad management and bad management decisions. I know this for a fact because I was an engineer and witnessed what went on in the engineering department. Yes I’m basing this all on what I witnessed at one location in one state but upper management wouldn’t listen and supported bad management decisions from lower management.... This is what you get...... Bankruptcy.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-jpo

The tenured people don’t care because their pensions are safe and can’t be fired. How many jobs can you do minimal work and almost make 40 dollars an hour?

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-jtl

Sounds like you probably still live with your parents and have no understanding of life. Even in bankruptcy, those with 20+ yrs still likely will have a job. If you have less than that, you should have already been looking elsewhere. The more time you have, the more $ is put monthly into our cash balance (pension). Not leaving anytime soon until forced out.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-jwz

Sounds like you probably still live with your parents and have no understanding of life. Even in bankruptcy, those with 20+ yrs still likely will have a job. If you have less than that, you should have already been looking elsewhere. The more time you have, the more $ is put monthly into our cash balance (pension). Not leaving anytime soon until forced out.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-hjm

I’ve been on both sides. I was the “kid” when we became Verizon. I was terrified I was going to lose my job and wanted those with over 20 years to leave. Now I’m old. I’ve invested my life in the phone business and I have over 20 years but I’m still in my 40s. Too young to retire. If I leave here I will just have to work somewhere else. I am too old to be the “new kid”.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-pxl

What’s ignorant is lumping everybody with 20 years, or any amount of tenure, into the same basket. Circumstances are different for everybody. You can’t just cast a net and expect it to cover everybody’s needs. If you have 20+ years you are likely middle aged, broken down from carrying these companies on your back most of your life and just trying to make it to the finish line. As diminished as our benefits are the chances of you walking out the door and finding something comparable are slim.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-mrx

and they still have too much capitol to claim BK........so far

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-agl

You were forewarned, now your just a sitting duck.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-zdp

Ignorant? No....Concerned? Yes.

Most of us with over 20 years, especially those of us that have gone through the GTE-Verizon-Frontier transition are in our late 50's to 60's (too young to retire and undesirable to another company due to our age). We watched GTE merge with MCI and almost sink, worked our a$$ off to make Verizon profitable only to be sold down the river to a 2nd rate company like Frontier. Offered a decent severance and the ability to walk with our pension as a lump sum and you would probably lose most of us...Until then we are hoping this company can limp along for a while longer...

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-dcv

Pretty big gamble with all this positive news. I'd hate to be thinking, "I should have left" after the fact. Your light is only a hope at this point.

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Post ID: @10rTEjzg-vki

Not speaking for everyone but... When youve got 20+ there is a light at the end of the tunnel and its getting closer, most are trying to hold on through the turbulence and get to the light.

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