To IBM. Meeting schedule for lots of folks this morning.
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Gloria and g–le are so out of touch with employees. Wth are these culture talks??? How about keeping wfh if you want culture?!
Another anthem executive leadership fail for the record books:
Place is a ghost town, GA tax payers want their money back.
Why all the Ohio IT go along with Gates/Celeste NDA takeover.. do they get jobs for their wife's and kids at Krogers or do they go to LBeers NDA Chase?
@6bnq+14PXs8cW Well stated. I'm very sorry you're in this position at such trying times.
Take good heart my friend; these trials are temporal. They're sent to teach us lessons so try to be gentle with yourself and see what you can learn from them. Follow the inner compass of your heart that leads you home. Only there will we find peace.
Generalizations of both the Anthem team and the Offshore teams really help no one. I have busted my butt for Anthem. I have spent nights and weekends ensuring Anthem is better positioned for their future. The thanks I received, and hundreds others, was a lay-off in the middle of a pandemic. Let’s please not lose sight of what this is. It was a despicable action, taken by a corporation, to make more money. It was completed at a time when many are now unable to find a new position due to hiring freezes.
I would venture to guess, if you spoke with my offshore teammates, they would not tell you I am lazy and got what was coming to me. As long as we work for a Fortune 500 company, we can expect this type of corporate behavior. It is not able your level of effort. It is only about money. Please take this opportunity to adapt and prepare for the future.
That person's writing is probably as good as their coding.
Again... have you seen all of the emergency fixes the past few months? Have you seen how many defect fixes are being done these days? Have you seen all of the phase II's that are needed on what should be simple one release projects? Have you seen how long things are taking to be done? Gee, I wonder why all of that is suddenly happening?
And as far as 50 years olds go... There's a reason why they were, or are, still with the company. It's because they know what they're doing and they're good at it.
But you are right about one thing... This all comes down to money. And the company is seeing in all of those issues that I mentioned above that they get what they pay for. Want to pay garbage dollars, you get garbage results. In the end, when everything takes three times as long and has to be fixed three times, how much are they really saving?
And don't fool yourself. India is already becoming more expensive. You're just as expendable to them as we are. You're just as meaningless as we are, perhaps even more meaningless being offshore. You should consider the fact that work is already being sent to the Philippines. It won't stop there either. There's always someone willing to do it for less. And they may as well do it. It's not like they're getting any stellar results with you. What do they have to lose? So yeah, enjoy it while it briefly lasts for you.
@5ubq+14PXs8cW You have a lot to learn.
Believe me .... Anthem Associates never do work and they were asking please do or follow up to do right from 2007 !! please do something sort of. That's the sole reason everything is made of China or Made by Indians. Can some one exactly tell any Tech Program manager or Solution engineer do the works or coding. They were just do managerial works which is easily replaced by anyone and they can get fired. However Indians clear all the interviews where Americans did not.. because mostly all people who are 50 are outdated. Accept it or not this is the truth which is going on which easily replaced by everyone.
Applied to IBM to a tech position, and am MORE than qualified as they are hiring for all levels (hit every single job requirement). Got a rejection almost right away. Who wants to guess why.
They're working so many hours because they're fixing all of their own errors. Have you seen how many emergency fixes that are being implemented on a daily, weekly and monthly basis the past several months? In the past we would have been torn apart and let go for that. But now it's no big deal because it is the result of outsourcing and lies directly in the laps of those who made the decision to go down that path.
Things are completely. people who crossed 50 and getting 140K is not benefited to company for Anthem. At the same time contractors or any Indian paid consultants are working 15 to 16 hours per day including weekend which benefited the company more.
Anthem is on the same band wagon as the rest of the greedy corporate heads. I caught an interview with the CEO of another company last week who said giving low paid workers a raise would not benefit the United States overall. The payout should be given as a Federal tax credit/refund when the low paid worker files their tax returns.
You know what the means. The middle class workers will be funding the low paid workers through the taxes we pay, not the mega rich and the Corporations who don't pay their share of taxes in this country. That keeps the corporations from paying higher cost of living raises and 401K corporate match dollars year over year to lower paid workers increasing the gap between Individual contributor and upper management incomes.
I worked at a company years ago that outsourced most of IT to IBM. It didn't go well. The company ended up pulling 80% of the work back internally after two years and had to pay to get out of the longer term contract with IBM.
You would think in todays world, with healthcare and US based jobs being hot topics that this would be the last thing you would do. Corporate greed, just look at the stocks that Gloria sells. She's in it for one thing, IT should not even be under her as she is out of touch and is only driven by her own personal cash cow. Anthem is not a company that cares about their employees, it's driven by those at the top looking to line their pockets. Hopefully all of those impacted will be able to look back at this down the road as a blessing.
Brilliant move really. It's an offshoring play without taking the PR hit for offshoring. IBM will be doing the dirty work. Unsure how Anthem is letting everyone's health information pass over to India and China though. Aren't there regulations and legal obligations in place to prevent that?!?
foreshadowing a couple of days ago
Honestly, there needs to be a general strike. No IT anything from any group until they abandon this position. Anthem can cry poverty all they want, but they are making record profits and still finding a way to hurt those whose labor created the profits. Enough is enough.
Another big ...
What about Anthem’s subsidiaries? Are they impacted in this laid off?
Doing business and winning business is not wrong thing. But not at this COVID 19 , Anthem should request IBM , that they should not fire any resource, sorry any human . Every human deserve to live . (I have seen and heard lot of sayings - we are together in this. Don’t say it, try to show it)
We were told yesterday and had a 2 hour call with IBM today. The effective date is 8/1/20. Some have been told they are critical and will transition over to IBM without applying. The rest have to apply and will be notified in June if they are selected. It is a one year IBM contract with pay cuts most likely.
From Next week....
When will staff be notified?
This was a complete good ol' boys (and girls) club deal by executive leadership... a minimal number of people were involved and not even most at the VP level knew about it until it was nearly completed. Areas like Database and Network are surprising, as Anthem previously outsourced those functions to IBM, they failed in spectacular fashion, then those functions were brought back in house by Anthem.
For the 50% going to IBM, the typical scenario is that they will get retention bonuses in exchange for a commitment to stay at IBM for a certain time (usually 6-12 months), then after that, both IBM and the employee are free to terminate the relationship, at which time many of those higher paid, on-shore resources will either be terminated or reassigned within IBM, so lower paid and/or offshore resources can replace them. IBM will drive costs out, pump up volumes with lackadaisical management, yet game performance metrics to achieve contract standards. They are masters at this as it is, but with nearly zero Anthem governance left, there will be virtually zero visibility into IBM operations. IBM will be reporting to Anthem leadership that IBM is doing an excellent job and no one will have any data or insight to prove otherwise.
The Anthem ETS folks are a good bunch that tries their best to work around IBM's games and Anthem executives' misplaced trust... they didn't deserve this and this move will cost Anthem FAR more money in the long run. But hey, maybe someone else (GMC) can get some board seats out of it in order to stay busy during retirement, just like Swedish did!
I wonder what part of the "Culture Conversations" is "Force your loyal employees to fight against their teammates for their job that IBM can pay them up to 30% less for doing"?
So all Corp Apps going away? Is it like going to IBM directly, or kind of like preferred vendor model? Anyone knows?
Total is around 550. Only 50% will be offered a position with IBM. Truly a disgusting display today of greed.
Does anyone have a number of people affected?
IT applications areas also being outsourced to IBM on all legacy systems (ACES, CHIPS, and CS90).
Trnasformation, Infra, Datacenter, Security being given to IBM
IBM was already there in Problem Management, change management AFAIK. PSD and Devops is something new. So are they going to be preferred vendor or something?
And here’s the saddest part. Everyone knows the country is facing a huge economic downturn this year. And it won’t affect Anthem that much. They have been profitable enough, and have a strong enough business model, to withstand the economic blow without doing this to their loyal employees.
I am not surprised this may have been the long term strategy for several years, but I am shocked they are moving forward with it this year.
There is no excuse for this.
So these would be handled exclusively by IBM or they would act as just another vendor like Cognizant, Deloitte, UST?
Database Services, Datacenter and Network Services, Infrastructure architecture, engineering & delivery, Technology and Network Operations Center, Change and Problem Management, Mainframe Code Administration, Cloud Operations, Firewall Management, VPN, Load Balancers, Web Content Filtering, CLM and DevOps Tools Support, Enterprise EDI, Accounting and Reporting, Enterprise Disbursements, Capitation, Publication Solutions Delivery, Enterprise Content Management.
Very sad day.
Do you know which areas are impacted?