Thread regarding Nokia Corp. layoffs

NOKIA USA 5G (arch/design/dev/test) jobs moved to CHINA and POLAND - LAYOFFS in BELL LABS MURRAY HILL NEW JERSEY July 23, 2020

This is my opinion only :
Any jobs at Samsung, Ericsson, Qualcomm, Apple? There are 250+ experienced engineers ready to support Verizon/ATT/Tmobile - all based in New Jersey. All experience - in 5G eNodeB, RRH, RF, Testing, Customer Support, development, architecture, system testing, release management, etc. Majority of the engineers have over 20+ years of experience in Wireless (2G/3G/4G/5G).
We want to make SAFE, RELIABLE products in USA for USA customers.
NOKIA wants the revenue from USA customers (Verizon, ATT, T-Mobile, etc.) but wants the product made in CHINA. Do you really want the "heart of the system" (eNodeB) being architecture, designed, developed, and tested in China for USA consumers/customers? Isn't this the exact thing that President Trump, the republicans, and the democrats are fighting for - to keep jobs like these in USA? So why isn't anyone doing anything about cutting highly experienced/skilled engineers from BELL LABS MURRAY HILL NJ LOCATION ? And why is the "heart of the system" allowed to be made in CHINA for USA consumers? Does Nokia management know what they are doing? What's going ON with Verizon/Samsung and what's NOT going on between Verizon/Nokia? Could this be one of many reasons for Murray Hill layoffs?
I'm sure none of the 250+ engineers will have any issues finding jobs elsewhere in USA since they are all highly experiences, but as users of a highly sensitive personal device with all our personal information - shouldn't we have a say in where the product is made, and how and with which foreign country if at all we want to share our personal identity/information. We all have something called common sense built into us, so why aren't the CEOs of vendors like T-mobile, ATT, and Verizon speak up about where the products for USA consumers are made?

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As any great leader will tell you, they have made many mistakes along the way. They will admit that it was the collective insight from bad decisions that taught them invaluable lessons – and how to see opportunities in everything and anticipate the unexpected more quickly. Successful leaders are transparent enough with themselves and others to admit their wrong doings so that those around them can also benefit from their learnings. They call this wisdom and many leaders lack it – because they are too proud to recognize mistakes as valuable learning moments for themselves and others.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/glennllopis/2015/07/23/4-reasons-great-leaders-admit-their-mistakes/#60e8d214628c

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Post ID: @voxy+166SO3im

What type of SENSELESS decisions are the MN Finland Management making?

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Post ID: @jdbk+166SO3im

The Nokia executives did not see any of the fALU workers as having any value, despite the experience of constantly working to make our biggest customers happy - namely Verizon and ATT. They have a lot of hardware in China but with a very slim profit line. We did lots of product development for feature after feature that Verizon wanted. As one of their executives said in the ALU MH auditorium several years ago there have been problems but they liked how responsive we were and that we had a lot of the same DNA. "We like you guys". Those guys they liked got the boot. Then the NOK execs came to the same auditorium: "The US is a high-cost region", "no development work will be done in the USA". We will replace the ALU equipment with our Airscale product all in the first Quarter next year. Instead it all imploded in high visibility rollouts. Oh why does VZW look at all these KPIs so seriously, we never had to do that with Tmobile. Duh! This is VZW. Glad I let long before it finally went off the cliff. I would expect these geniuses to try to save money in Optical by moving some of it to China and Poland. Of course close contact with the customer is why they have been successful. Look at their success in wireless. :-(

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Post ID: @7nmv+166SO3im

Over the years there have been more then 250+ cuts, but there aren't even 150 people in the Mobile Network org in NJ location so the cuts have to be less then 150.

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Post ID: @4oxv+166SO3im

Rajeev does it again, what a SUPER genius!

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Post ID: @3bao+166SO3im
  1. Check out "TAA" offered by US DOL.

Heard former Nokia U.S. based employees qualified.

  1. Washington DC will likely extend some form of +$600 per week COVID assistance. That's good
  2. NJ State recently enacted "ToysRUs" legislation requiring minimum severence. Nokia may skinny their severance but can't go below what's is now law

Unfortunately we live in a Plutocracy.
The cancer of Income Inequality has now eroded the middle class. We have returned to the Gilded Age 100 years ago. Unfortunately Trump is not a Teddy Roosevelt

o, hopefully, this will significantly help with your finances.
aJust not sure if one can trigget because of COVID legislation

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Post ID: @2dgw+166SO3im

In my opinion only: perhaps we can compare Nokia Wireless vs. Nokia Optical.
In my opinion - In Nokia Wireless, majority of USA management (from fALU were laid-off) and Nokia Finland management came in and took over. The biggest loss was the years and years of LU/ALU customer relationship. The trust between customers and ALU management. Ever since Nokia management took over, revenues have declined quarter after quarter. Dissatisfied customers swapped out ALU eNodeBs with Samsungs/Ericsson instead of Nokia. Why? Lack of management skills, lack of trust, lack of years of relationship. Majority of Nokia Finland management can't even speak English fluently or without a heavy accent. If it's difficult for employees to understand what management is saying during a phone call, then how do you expect the customer to understand.
Now let's compare Nokia Wireless with Nokia Optical. In my opinion, majority of the Optical products are made in USA and Canada. Management is from USA & Canada. Nokia USA/Canada management is extremely knowledgeable about the product they are building. In my opinion, you are probably saying, "Of course, management is knowledgeable about the product they produce and how it works." Can you say the same about Wireless management? (All they know is when are you going to meet deadlines so they can get some revenues - never mind if the product works as it should - if can always be fixed in change request weeks after the product is delivered to the customer. Besides, what are the customers going to do now - swap out the entire network - let's gamble on it. Again, all the writing in this reply is only my opinion.) Optical management have a solid, trusting relationship with customers which has taken years to build. Revenues every quarter are in the positive.
What's the moral of the story in my opinion is: loss of trust, years of relationship with USA customers, loss of USA management/engineers = loss of revenues and CEO shown the exit sign. What's left but to break up the company and sell it to the highest bidder (a competitor - who will buy it to have one less competitor).
The above is only in my opinion.

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Post ID: @1wzp+166SO3im

Verizon does not allow Nokia engineers in China to access Verizon networks, but they access Verizon network with Nokia VPN and it shows Finland IP address, so it is totally out of the control.

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Post ID: @1gfu+166SO3im

You should work to have state and feds classify this as jobs being moved oversees, then affected employees get better cost healthcare and tre-raining. Employees need to initiate this. Employer wont.

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Post ID: @mmo+166SO3im

Life is better beyond Nokia. Good luck my friend!

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