People with long tenure, their jobs eliminated just yesterday
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Are these real layoffs or did they get fired?
Wow DH got canned? If they get rid of the constantly failing marketing manager then they may actually make money with the NG brand.
@1jfi+18NEnINq Best comment on here! When I worked at Cengage I had this exact same talk verbatim with anyone who asked what I did for a living. Even after I left I still had a few hiring managers make that comment when I was in an interview and they'd look at my resume and ask about Cengage. The one good thing about CU is now I can put a spin on my answer by claiming Cengage is a platform for online education.
@1nlw+18NEnINq If you work at Cengage you know have to know how people feel about your business. Every time someone asked where I worked, I had this exact exchange.
Them: Where do you work?
Me: Cengage Learning
Them: What is that?
Me: We publish college textbooks.
Them: Oh. So you're the guys who ripped me off in college?
@aht+18NEnINq DH? He should be arrested for stealing for as long as he fed and the Thomson and Cengage trough while doing nothing. But he's sitting on a fat retirement and probably a year or two of severance.
@kjr+18NEnINq This post should be required reading as it is spot on. I went to college in the 1980's and never bought textbooks back then. I have two daughters in college and unless absolutely forced, they dont buy the digital stuff now and neither do their friends.
When I did a master's program a few years back I rented or just didnt buy the required materials. I didn't need them.
Publishing and those who work there exist in a vacuum. They have no idea how much they are loathed and disliked by everyone. Professors, students, parents. They think people actually care about their products. News flash. They don't.
College publishing started as an old boys club post-GI Bill and had a completely captive market for a few decades. It was a 24-7 party. Used books then chipped away at the model and then the internet destroyed it.
It used to be "cool" to say you worked for a publisher or that you were a publisher. These days if you say that, you're one step up from an ambulance-chasing attorney or insurance salesperson. The difference is that people actually need attorneys and insurance.
OER is here to stay. Microsoft spent millions of dollars trying to develop a huge on-line encyclopedia called Encarta. They shut it down after a few years. Wikipedia accomplished what Microsoft could not purely by harnessing the power of people willing to work for free.
Which high level sales positions?
@1yex+18NEnINq The biggest problem I saw from my time at Cengage is that ideas are not listened to unless they come from the VP level or above.
Sales division eliminated 3 high level positions, wonder how many more coming
7 or 8 years ago I gave a presentation to senior leaders about the threat of OER. I was literally laughed at and mocked. One Master of the Universe told me "OER's been around for a long time and has never been a threat. That's not going to change." True story.
@1chz+18NEnINq people who think like you are why the company is failing. The question isn't whether we need publishers, it's whether we need companies like Cengage which by the way no longer calls itself a publisher. As pointed out by everyone else here CU adds no value to the learning experience and only has customers because vulnerable students are forced to sign up. Using your own analogy it would be more like how someone attending a traditional four year institution has to take useless classes that have no relation to their field of study to graduate. Students have no choice in the matter and the classes won't help them be more successful in their field. The only reason the classes exist are for the colleges to make more money. Also, these days students do have alternative choices for education like online schools, trade schools, and boot camps. Likewise for learning content students are no longer limited to the few books the campus store carries because it had an agreement with a publisher. Students can find myriad free or low-cost solutions all over the internet many of which are better than the overpriced material the old publishers still push. But sure let's pretend like Cengage is providing a needed service or that students will be worse off when it eventually goes under.
“Open Educational Resources (OER) are here to stay” so we don’t need publishers? The same could be argued about the need for bricks and mortar colleges. And for professors, for that matter. Students can just teach themselves and test into a degree for a minimal charge. Now that’s savings.
To the person who wrote, "I feel like this could be a troll just stirring the pot since they posted with little to no backing information...."
Not a troll.
This is my first time posting here, but I saw on LinkedIn that an old colleague of mine (I haven't worked there in years) was let go. That person was tenured. I won't give initials or say what department because I don't want to give any clues to my identity, lol, or theirs.
I liked my time at Cengage, I never said anything bad on Glassdoor or anything like that, but finding this site today gave me a good laugh. I had my frustrations for sure, and was underpaid (except for when you hit that $30k bonus baby), but I have worked for way worse companies. The San Fran sales meeting was fun, and an unnamed manager tried to get me to go to a strip club at 4:00 am, which had a $200 cover charge. I declined, that person went, on the company credit card, lol. This was standard for Cengage.
I used to work at WebAssign before it was acquired by Cengage also. WebAssign was an amazing place to be before Cengage screwed it all up. WebAssign had unlimited paid time off, 2 kegs in the office, Thursday happy hours at 4pm where it was mandatory to grab a drink and mingle with coworkers from other areas of the company.....that all went away (for the most part) when Cengage arrived. Most importantly, WebAssign actually took care of the customers, and was a well run operation where projects got completed.
It is funny that the company has filed bankruptcy, yet the same leadership survives. There are better jobs out there. If you got fired from Cengage, don't hold a grudge, it is just business, move on is my advice.
With that being said, there is absolutely NO QUESTION Cengage will either go bankrupt again, or have mass layoffs soon, it is common sense. If I am wrong, good for the employees still there; I don't celebrate anybody losing a job. If Cengage Unlimited works, I applaud them....but I don't think it will.
The entire industry is borderline unethical. When I graduated college in the early 2000's, I never used any online homework, and my homework was free (pencil to paper, or using a computer, etc, maybe some Blackboard assignments). I rarely bought books either, I shared with friends. It should be illegal to charge students to do homework, makes zero sense to say you care about education, yet charge students who already pay tuition more money just to do their homework.
Open Educational Resources (OER) are here to stay. There is no need to pay a publisher any longer.
I applaud those still there for trying to make what they do an actual value to the customer, a need they can't do without.......but it just won't succeed, because you don't need Pearson, Cengage, McGraw Hill, Lumen, or any of these companies to teach your course.
I REALLY love any teacher who told me to f**k off when I was on campus peddling books, and they told me they make all of their own materials for free, so they don't need a book. Why would any teacher, after going to school for 8 years, rely on a publisher? Professors always have been able to, and always will be able to, use their own materials for 100% free. There are open source online homework programs too. If you are a Professor and you use any for-pay homework system, YOU are the problem, not Cengage and Pearson, and you are lazy.
Make your own homework. Make it free for students. Do your jobs. Hell, you went to school for 8 years, why do you need Stewart Calculus.....teach from your own Calculus notes for free....(many Professors do, the motivated passionate ones). You can make no cost online assignments on various open source learning management systems.
More Professors are realizing this. OER is real. There is no need to buy a textbook or online homework, times have changed, the same way there is no need to buy a CD (compact disc, it plays music, for you young people). Napster / internet ruined that business......publishing is next.
Print will never fully die......but more layoffs are coming. Don't be afraid though, just prepare for the future.
Best of luck to those still at Cengage, I know you mean well, and best of luck to those no longer there.
Again, no matter how much you loathe a company, don't hold a grudge and move on (although some of these posts are hilarious)
Wow. I worked at NGL for a while. Vapid leadership with some decent people mixed in. Any initials? I would love to know. Hopefully DH aka Steve Jobs finally got shown the door. What about the mailroom clerk that rose through the ranks?
I don't know these guys from Adam, but how is it that they get shown the door but Michael doesn't? Not a single employee should be laid off or fired until Michael Hansen is. FULL STOP.
The 15 year old one quit. He didn't get fires
Not that I'd be surprised at another layoff but I don't think three people being shown the door with what is surely a more generous severance package than what the rest of us would get counts.
Three bigwigs out at National Geographic Learning: one with 15 years experience, another with 30 years.
I have not heard a thing about layoffs. What department, how many people? I feel like this could be a troll just stirring the pot since they posted with little to no backing information....
What departments? How many?