Thread regarding SAP layoffs

My experience tells me SAP lays off the wrong people. They keep the ones that does the most smoking and this ends up being unproductive. But what do I know, this is only my POV.

To the poster of the below. THE ANSWER TO BOTH OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS A RESOUNDING YES!!

THAT WOULD BE THE PROFESSIONAL, HONEST AND RIGHT APPROACH.

BUT frankly THANKS FOR MAKING MY POINT!!

But frankly what would you expect to happen? Were you expecting them to cancel the planned and paid trip and to tell you that you have been laid off before the scheduled time to communicate the decistion?

Or, would you expect them to pull you aside while in Germany and to tell you that you'll be cut as soon as you come back home?

I am in a similar situation and AGREE 100% with what you said about the culture. The only difference between us was our specific situation of how the layoff when down, but yes it generally results in a non-telegraphed (no warning) call with the direct manager and HR together on the phone. That's how Legal advises them to do it. Without a doubt, they layoff the wrong people ALL. THE. TIME. Clearly, they haven't learned from their mistakes from the early 2019 layoff (4,400). And as a result - their numbers have 'flattened' and they would rather get above a 25% margin on the way to 30% instead of actually achieving double digit total software growth and relying so heavily on maintenance and services business contributing towards total revenue.

Good post and there are many things that are wrong here.

But frankly what would you expect to happen? Were you expecting them to cancel the planned and paid trip and to tell you that you have been laid off before the scheduled time to communicate the decistion?

Or, would you expect them to pull you aside while in Germany and to tell you that you'll be cut as soon as you come back home?

I am trying to put myself in a position of your managers, it's hard to play it differently.

These HR issues nobody wants to touch and I'd bet once they heard the dates they just went with it - but then I do not have enough info so I may be wrong.

What I am trying to say is that laying people off f—ing s—s, I've had to do it a few times and every time I dread it, every time I have difficult time communicating it and I have hard time living with knowledge of what will transpire soon (especially when I am close to folks who will get affected). It s—s, it s—s big time but I honestly do not know what I'd do differently.

I was laid off the same way last year: after a week-long, lavish team-building trip to Turkey. I also wondered why the upper management was not able to look me in the eye (my boss could, she is a narcissistic sociopath and I'm sure she actually enjoyed it). I was also replaced by a cheap recent graduate.

The only thing that still stings is that i was working my a– off, while all the lazy asses are still there. I guess those are the ones who bump up the glassdoor reviews: a 4.6? unbelievable for such a dinosaur, politicized company.

A forced change for me but definitely for the better

@OP+18eXN4fa
If you don't mind me asking... when exactly were you laid off? A week long team building exercise in Germany? Obviously, nothing like that has happened for nearly 9 months....

@sos+18eXN4fa

• I'd hate to see what you say about people who aren't "good friends"

Which product were you working on?

A good friend of mine is a sales VP at SAP. I can honestly say if he does more than 6 hours of real work it’s a VERY busy week for him 😂