Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Looks like SAP laid off the wrong people

They should have laid off the Union Protected Germans instead of the Americans who actually generated revenue.

Stock down 33%. 50 BILLION lost in value.

ServiceNow taking market share. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/servicenow-is-emerging-as-a-cloud-software-superpower-11606928056

Thank you SAP for laying me off when you did! NOW I MAKE 25% more on a winning team.

  • don’t take it too hard. it’s just business, sorry to hear you lost half of your team to voluntary attrition in the past 12 months.

SAP laid me off, true. That’s fine. All companies have to do that. BUT here is how they did it. They invited me to Germany for a week long team building exercise, we had a lovely time. I meet with with manger, his boss, our SVP, went to dinner, went through training. Flew first class both ways @20k. I wondered why my managers SVP could not look me in the eye when he was speaking to the team. I wondered why my manager distanced himself from me. I wondered why a new recent early talent joined our meetings.

When I returned to the states, I got a call from my manager and HR. 24 hours after I landed from a weeklong (super expensive) trip..only to tell me I was being let go.

They could not even look me in the eye. They could not be professional enough to tell me in person. They are cowards.

They waited until I was back, spent tons of money to avoid telling me professionally. In person...they knew before I even left, yet to avoid manning up, they wasted investor money. This is the company of SAP. Dishonest, Cowards, and deep hatred for Americans.

They hired two early talents to replace me. Both quit in 6 months. 3 other members of the team quit. lol.

As a senior manager now myself, I recognize if a person leaves that’s for the best and on them. If half the team quits that’s on me.

Well, I am glad to report that my layoff is on you, your lack of leadership. Sad thing is both my old manager and SVP are still at SAP. But I guess managing 2 people doesn’t really make you much of a manager or VP now does it.....

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Post ID: @OP+18eXN4fa

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My experience tells me SAP lays off the wrong people. They keep the ones that does the most smoking and this ends up being unproductive. But what do I know, this is only my POV.

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Post ID: @18ofp+18eXN4fa

To the poster of the below. THE ANSWER TO BOTH OF YOUR QUESTIONS IS A RESOUNDING YES!!

THAT WOULD BE THE PROFESSIONAL, HONEST AND RIGHT APPROACH.

BUT frankly THANKS FOR MAKING MY POINT!!

But frankly what would you expect to happen? Were you expecting them to cancel the planned and paid trip and to tell you that you have been laid off before the scheduled time to communicate the decistion?

Or, would you expect them to pull you aside while in Germany and to tell you that you'll be cut as soon as you come back home?

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Post ID: @Ndrq+18eXN4fa

I am in a similar situation and AGREE 100% with what you said about the culture. The only difference between us was our specific situation of how the layoff when down, but yes it generally results in a non-telegraphed (no warning) call with the direct manager and HR together on the phone. That's how Legal advises them to do it. Without a doubt, they layoff the wrong people ALL. THE. TIME. Clearly, they haven't learned from their mistakes from the early 2019 layoff (4,400). And as a result - their numbers have 'flattened' and they would rather get above a 25% margin on the way to 30% instead of actually achieving double digit total software growth and relying so heavily on maintenance and services business contributing towards total revenue.

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Post ID: @Giya+18eXN4fa

Good post and there are many things that are wrong here.

But frankly what would you expect to happen? Were you expecting them to cancel the planned and paid trip and to tell you that you have been laid off before the scheduled time to communicate the decistion?

Or, would you expect them to pull you aside while in Germany and to tell you that you'll be cut as soon as you come back home?

I am trying to put myself in a position of your managers, it's hard to play it differently.

These HR issues nobody wants to touch and I'd bet once they heard the dates they just went with it - but then I do not have enough info so I may be wrong.

What I am trying to say is that laying people off f—ing s—s, I've had to do it a few times and every time I dread it, every time I have difficult time communicating it and I have hard time living with knowledge of what will transpire soon (especially when I am close to folks who will get affected). It s—s, it s—s big time but I honestly do not know what I'd do differently.

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Post ID: @esoh+18eXN4fa

I was laid off the same way last year: after a week-long, lavish team-building trip to Turkey. I also wondered why the upper management was not able to look me in the eye (my boss could, she is a narcissistic sociopath and I'm sure she actually enjoyed it). I was also replaced by a cheap recent graduate.

The only thing that still stings is that i was working my a– off, while all the lazy asses are still there. I guess those are the ones who bump up the glassdoor reviews: a 4.6? unbelievable for such a dinosaur, politicized company.

A forced change for me but definitely for the better

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Post ID: @6dll+18eXN4fa

@OP+18eXN4fa
If you don't mind me asking... when exactly were you laid off? A week long team building exercise in Germany? Obviously, nothing like that has happened for nearly 9 months....

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Post ID: @5yhx+18eXN4fa

Which product were you working on?

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Post ID: @2mez+18eXN4fa

A good friend of mine is a sales VP at SAP. I can honestly say if he does more than 6 hours of real work it’s a VERY busy week for him 😂

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