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Hiring leaders with zero role experience!

My manager has zero customer or sales experience! I can’t believe they hire unqualified clowns like this. Spending more time training this newbie on multiple fronts. I don’t get it, I thought AWS was smart

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I’ll share my experiences on this topic.

One thing is the general incompatibility between green leaders and experienced direct reports. I am witness to the unconscious bias among these managers against over qualified directs and the favoritism between green managers and the “yes” persons. It’s pretty ridiculous in my opinion because I believed AWS was progressive company but it’s not. Whether or not the green manager is male or female, black or white, tall or short, or old or young, the outcome is always the same with regards to unconscious bias. If the leadership chain is composed in the same manner as 1st line leadership, then that’s a huge flaw at AWS since that goes beyond diversity and blurs meritocracy.

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Post ID: @Mmzp+19iqkwxp

My manager struggled and doesn’t realize the entire team knows this. Constantly babbling jibberish words she heard from others. When it comes to writing, my manager doesn’t do it often assigning sections of their document to the team or cut/pasting their work. It’s really nuts to think Amazon/AWS does this - could you imagine if our military was run this way? Bezos/Jassi has so much “f—k you” money to care about this stuff BUT if the day comes when someone asked “where they went wrong”, they can reference this thread and the other thread below this one.

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Post ID: @Gcqw+19iqkwxp

AWS hiring process is COMPLETELY BROKEN!
Many incompetent managers, nepotism and favoritism..
I know my friend who had average knowledge of the domain.. he was hired at L6.
Not sure how he passed technical competency and raised the bar LOL
He struggled so much and use to get my help for understanding some of his projects. eventually, he was so stressed. he has take an unpaid leave for a month and finally QUIT within seven month! he took a 30% TC cut and joined another company.

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Post ID: @Gjvs+19iqkwxp

My AWS manager is a total newbie in this role. I’m going to agree with @1wne in that hiring newbie managers can be beneficial being only theory. In reality, it’s clear they have no clue what they’re doing. This comes through when they randomly ask you question that make no sense, use terms that are out of context, cannot comprehend communications, makes everyone else do their write ups, parrots words and terms way too often, over uses the Amazon writing style, always uses the learn and be curious LP to basically tell you to go find the answer yourself because they don’t .. the list goes on and on. It’s sad that AWS does this because it’s the IC’s that do all the work so why make their lives worse by hiring inexperienced leadership that doesn’t write, speak or lead well?!

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Post ID: @wvqc+19iqkwxp

Try going to sams club. They hire anybody that can breathe. No d–g testing and it's total chaos on most days. They got rid of most long term employees to save money on payroll so nobody knows what to do.

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Post ID: @olbf+19iqkwxp

@6wcm - as others posted, it sounds good in theory only. The truth is, hiring a person with zero experience also has a lot to lose and, more importantly, has a lot more to prove. The reason being that this person already is suffering from imposter syndrome and will work extra hard to meet some invisible bar. This equates to job insecurities and fear that drives productivity. I personally don’t think human beings are built to handle this level of stress especially for those with dependents vs single people.

My suggestion to all Amazonians is to look through these policies, like really read between the lines. Every corporate process, mechanism, tenet, etc., were all carefully crafted to make sense at the surface only. For those that drank the looks of, be wary most of these AWS things doesn’t work outside this company and it’s because AWS has deep pockets from data center sales.

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Post ID: @lwne+19iqkwxp

I don’t see any value hiring managers will zero experience for the role. You’ll waste time ramping up this person, they’ll have no instincts for the role, and solely rely on metrics (aka, the dashboard manager) to manage the team. You might as well be managed by a simple if-then-else bot.

Man, some people really need to get their heads out of their asses.

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Post ID: @aczg+19iqkwxp

That’s idealistic and it’s okay to live in this headspace. Once measurements and actions are applied, it’s far too easy have green managers (in essence) point fingers in a direction away from them. It’s be great if this was true for senior leadership but this isn’t the case for obvious and realistic reasons. This behavior does allow for incremental improvements while providing a mechanism to manage out lower performers.

Idealism is great to inspire but not necessarily the case when the rubber hits the road.

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Post ID: @9igo+19iqkwxp

Yes it's smart.

A manager with zero experience has the most potential. Any improvement is immediately a 100% improvement.

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