Thread regarding Union Pacific Corp. layoffs

Autonomous Train

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/union-pacific-says-autonomous-trains-are-the-answer-to-driverless-trucks/

Fewer people on the rails and at the Harriman. It’s only time until happens for real.

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Cms and timekeeping are last stops on the rail for clerks that started in Omaha and have literally nowhere else to go before they’re ousted. Combining desks, getting rid of work, way too many people, etc.

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Post ID: @5qep+1aIoAJXD

Cms and time keeping are ghost towns bare bone positions barely able to operate . They have been ra--d hard

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Post ID: @4ali+1aIoAJXD

UP will rid MTOs, MOPs, LR and payroll, and MGRs of Alcohol and Dr-g testing.
It will be fun again......

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Post ID: @2ybw+1aIoAJXD

CMS is one place that can definitely downsize.

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Post ID: @2zdv+1aIoAJXD

Communities wanting or not wanting them is irrelevant? what an ignorant statement. Just wait till the politicians start getting contacted about trains with no one on board coming through. You can argue the railroad lobbyists will try to push it through anyway but to say it is irrelevant is rather foolish.

And as far as eliminating the brakeman in the past, nobody in the general public population even knew or cared about that and if they did oh well…welcome to 2021 and the age of social media. Different game this time.

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Post ID: @1dhg+1aIoAJXD

Hope everyone realizes if crews are reduced so will be CMS, Timekeeping, Clerks, labor relations, Managers, ETC. So those folks that think they won’t be affected just wait a lot of other people will lose their jobs as well.

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Post ID: @1uff+1aIoAJXD

Communities wanting or not wanting them is irrelevant. The same arguments were made when train crews were reduced from 4 to three and then again to 2 man crews. The same arguments were made about RCO also and distributed power. The company has deep pockets and will get the politicians on board. This is coming and nothing is going to stop it regardless of the impact on the workers.

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Post ID: @1wbp+1aIoAJXD

Just have the new hired MOPs and MTOs sneaking in and run the trains any ways.

They are union contract busting and abusing any ways.

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Post ID: @sav+1aIoAJXD

I’m sure UP would love to get rid of all employees, but let’s see if communities want autonomous trains coming through their towns with hazmat. UP barely follows any of its own safety rules as it is and constantly pressures crews and lower level managers to look the other way. Being technologically possibly and actually happening are two different things.

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Post ID: @xcc+1aIoAJXD

This would be the time for out fearless union leaders to get all members protected like our pre-85 brothers and sisters. If we don’t get protection with this contract it going to over soon for a lot of te&y people.

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Post ID: @wuv+1aIoAJXD

Fritz can spew it all he wants. I just don't know how it's going to happen. Planes fly themselves we all know this. Yet there are still two pilots in ever cabin. Why? For saftey. An extra for a backup. PTC and Leader/trip optimizer is basically autopilot as we all know. Trains should be NO different.

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Post ID: @iso+1aIoAJXD

The Union Pacific needs to be better at doing preventative maintenance on the equipment before even thinking about autonomous trains! I see a lot of deferred maintenance going on! Maybe in another lifetime!

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Post ID: @wsd+1aIoAJXD

Autonomous trains are currently ran in other nations. They don’t have the road crossing issues as in the US, but the railroads and FRA are working to solve this. The posting below says planes will be allowed to fly autonomous but railroads won’t because railroads travel in populated areas.... so do planes! Where do you think the airports are located? Ever fly into New York? Chicago? Houston? Don’t kid yourself into thinking this will not happen. The software is ready to go to make this happen. PSR, the energy management systems on locomotives, and the new form of rolling block traffic control to replace CTC are part of making autonomous trains a reality. Yes, they may be forced to have one person in the train in case of emergency, but this person may not be a certified engineer or conductor. The person can sound the ho-n or ki-l the engine in case of emergency but nothing else. This can be accomplished by a $20 per hour worker or contractor. The railroads aren’t going to stop until most jobs are eliminated, this is just the cold, hard truth.

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Post ID: @nsw+1aIoAJXD

Autonomous trains don’t eat UP hot dogs so there will be more for me. I don’t need a job. That’s for rich people.

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Post ID: @oiw+1aIoAJXD

Ok so let's point this out yet again. Autonomous freight trains are still years away from happening, so we need to relax and stop worrying about it. Airliners have the computer systems to fly from point A to point B with very little human intervention needed. Today's airliners can literally land themselves now. So why are there still two pilots on board? Simple, because the FAA requires it. Most trains today go through highly populated areas. There's too much testing needed to allow for unmanned freight trains in the US. There may be some routes that may allow for unmanned trains, but a certified operator will be present for crisis intervention. Computers can't see and predict everything. Unmanned freight trains in the US are still years away from happening. An unmanned plane will crash and ki-l hundreds of people. An unmanned freight train gets out of control, it could level a small city depending on its cargo. Think about it.

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Post ID: @qye+1aIoAJXD

Why do you think the railroads invested billions in PTC? They would not have willingly went along with the FRA on PTC if they weren’t going to get a huge payback. The railroads want autonomous trains badly and will do practically anything to make this come to fruition. The airline industry is already testing self flying planes using artificial intelligence (with a pilot on board as backup). As soon as self driving cars and trucks are commonplace, so will be self driving trains.

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Post ID: @vrm+1aIoAJXD

This has been in the planning stages for awhile now. All the railroads have lobbyists working in D.C. to convince the politicians to support this when self driving trucks come online. The railroads argument will be they cannot be competitive if trucking companies use self driving technology and the railroads aren’t allowed to. This will be a reality we will have to deal with. In 10 years nobody will recognize either trucking or railroading.

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Post ID: @rrh+1aIoAJXD

Won’t need transportation no one will have money to buy goods to be transported.

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Post ID: @pke+1aIoAJXD

At the point where everything is automated and nobody has a job what good will all their money be worth.

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Post ID: @hxf+1aIoAJXD

Boards will be 30-40 year seniority rosters everywhere. Going to an interview will be a joke with thousands on a call-back list. No crew callers to harass you.

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Post ID: @pat+1aIoAJXD

You don’t need trains or a crew at all if you run away all your customers like UP. Modern problems require modern solutions.

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