At the risk of creating another post that will recieve nonsense and abuse just trying to create an area for bod redundancy affected employees to share any updates, for all to keep connected, share thoughts /ideas, help one another, rather than negativity of other posts. Please post any Real new info, anything that will inform or help others in the situation we are in. It will be obvious if this space is used for abuse and bitterness. Please keep this as a real area for genuine sharing of info, thank you.
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Will be before that 2 more wages and your done, some sooner than that, won't make it to next year, no way
Padlock on the doors early next year!get applying to asda or tescos
@3svv+1c53eai0, that is unbelievable what you say there to hide behind the screen and not communicating with people. I am really sorry for them :(((
SNP hand over millions what nonsense you on about?
Get back to your work and stay off your phones
BOD shop floor need to get a grip, the plant is closing your not going to see management ok HR on the on the floor, they will be pi---d off as you are, whingeing about the way your being treated not helping you or anyone else, wait for your payoff and get on with your life else where, or just f@#£off now, SNP didn’t hand over millions to Montrose for nothing, get over it and move on
Where are the HR dept at BOD. Oh aye be checking the Kronos !!!
@3njw+1c53eai0, well said. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Communicating a plant closure via Microsoft Teams while the plant leader sits in his office away from questions and silent on the call speaks volumes. Not even a face around the shop floor supporting employees. Very disappointing and poor leadership
I’m not sure how my post is oblivious to the concept management must try to be profitable. Accountability in itself results in profit and this company discards accountability into the waste basket. Upholding accountability in terms of plant closure is another way of saying we’ve should’ve cleaned house a long time ago and we are just now catching up on the spring cleaning. Only thing is that we waited so long everything and everyone must go.
I speak from experience. I’ve been a part of many plant closures and transitions and it’s always gone the same way. Move smaller businesses into a larger rooftop that’s been in decline for 5 years. But somehow it will be better. Better people, better facilities, the location is better, and they’ll even come up with a new business name to signify a change for the better. News flash, the backlog and supply chain will get worse. And by the time they feel the pinch and want to get off their as--s to fix it, they’re closing down another plant.
The shot callers have bad service ideas, one after the other for so long it’s numbing.
And this isn’t a BH provided board to post ideas. No one would post here if they truly felt BH management wouldn’t retaliate after round table events…
This is what happens when management loses the trust and loyalty of the workforce.
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Bravo @3kno+1c53eai0, you’ve precisely nailed what’s wrong with the company. Your post is completely oblivious to the concept that part of management’s job is to at least attempt make the plant profitable. You talk as if the plant’s efficiencies are immutable laws of physics.
In most companies, closing a plant because it can’t be made efficient would be an admission of failure. Most companies would have a positive, or at least neutral, spin on a plant closure. Most companies employees would not be posting their opinions on the subject. Not Baker. Where you can feel free to come post on a message board that management is incompetent and think you’re saying something positive.
This is a product of 10 years+ of reorgs, shuffles, mergers, blood letting and “getting rid of dead wood”. A management class that is fundamentally incompetent and completely ignorant of their incompetence.
This is a huge part of why the company is doomed.
Any potential investors trawling this board for insider knowledge, take note. Everything you need to know about the inside of Baker is right here.
You can all blame who you want. The facts are Aberdeen costs to much to produce products with little profit if any. Companies cannot run at a lose. Sorry for everyone that is going to loose there job. You can blame who you want, it all comes down to cost.
Aberdeen drilling department was once excellent, management hiring the wrong person time and again, not listening thinking he new better, or listening to some prat who had no idea how to use a brush never mind a borer, this is what happens when you listen to the wha&£er that sits in the corner,
the aberdeen drilling dept lost a shedload of money thru bad management thats why the execs shut them down. absolute poor performance and f-ups cost their j
Only voluntary for close to retirement age. Everyone else must go and it will be in three stages. As the site delivers work and the company liquidation of assets and parts then the money will go towards the divestment and partnership agreement.
Anyone surviving this and stays on will no longer be a part of BH come 2022
Voluntary will be offered and guys will be gone by end of year that’s for sure,padlock will be in the gates start of next year!
It’s the absolute arrogance of this company that has created this environment and it started with GE Execs. This isn’t a BH business, this is a business that had been running 80 years prior to GE buy. And the leadership has flushed out anyone that contains a shred of integrity, accountability, and is an absolute threat to the 12 year reign of Legacy GE management. Only bullies and self serving underlings group up into clicks. But at last, their fictitious metrics, false promises, and stealing of ideas is over.
The fact that many of you were great at your jobs is irrelevant. And I’ll be brutally honest. Neither of the other plants sold the idea that they could deliver. They probably sold the idea that they were too expensive to close. Which is another way of saying, let’s close the more profitable rooftop. This doesn’t make you feel better, but probably creates more rage and I’m sorry for that. I don’t want all of you to think it was because of your inadequacies. This is over a small groups bu-----t game to stay employed and it’s about to be the 2 minute warning. And they haven’t beaten the competition at anything, they’ve only beaten up their own organization.
Walk away knowing that you guys are the bigger people. None of these cowards have the courage to speak from behind closed doors.
Everyone blaming everyone else for their own failure. This why the senior execs want to close aberdeen office down. More trouble than it’s worth. Terrible office run by very poor management who clients didn’t want to deal with.
25 years working in the store and I was laid off with nothing even though I made sure everybody had all the spare parts needed. I never used a computer and had all the part numbers in my head and this saved the company a fortune in computers and electric bills but this was not taken into account when the new manger arrived.
Now I am struggling to get by singing Scottish songs on Union street on a Saturday and occasionally cutting the grass at hazlehead gold course. This company has no respect for ex employees who have them their life in terms of my career
What a load of bollocks, there is no voluntary, place is closing, all will lose job before next year, some will go sooner than others
Place shut early next year,my advice try and get something else anything else and go for voluntary
Drilling parts were ok until they went on the hone, fu/k face not getting overtime would scrap jobs and blame others,
Retired tpi …. Quality was the best in the industry,, which is why it was near impossible to achieve production requirements.
Guys, dont blame the drilling department, BoD have been producing rubbish for the last ten years, get gear out the door ASAP, not fit for purpose, quality unimportant, meeting the month end figures were all you worried about.
people at BoD have paid with their jobs for the incompetence of the drilling department management shambles. their clusterfxxxx cost jobs
The closure of BoD was decided when senior management saw the mess created by the drilling team. Aberdeen has become the joke of baker.
How long will your notice period be?
If you’ve worked for your employer for between a month to two years, you’re entitled to statutory notice of at least a week. This is the absolute minimum notice period. If you’ve worked for your employer for two years or more, you’re entitled to one week’s notice for each year you’ve worked, up to a maximum of 12 weeks.
If you have a non-statutory contract with your employer, your notice period will be ‘contractual notice’ not statutory notice. That means your period of notice could be either shorter or longer than statutory notice and will be set out in your employment contract.
Your pay during your notice period
You’ll be paid as normal during your notice period if you’re on a statutory notice period and you’re entitled to your normal pay in addition to any redundancy pay.
You’ll still get your pay if you’re:
Off work due to sickness or injury (even if you’d normally get statutory sick pay instead).
Off work because you’re pregnant, on maternity, paternity, adoption or parental leave.
Available and willing to work but aren’t given any work to do.
Your pay entitlement during maternity leave
If you’re made redundant during your maternity leave, you’re entitled to receive your normal full pay for that whole period. And if you’re getting statutory maternity pay, your employer can reduce your notice period pay so you’re not paid for both your notice period and maternity leave at the same time.
But if you’re entitled to pay in lieu of notice (PILON), your employer can’t take this approach. That means you’ll get the full amount of statutory maternity pay and your full notice pay too. In this case, you would receive more than your statutory maternity pay.
If you’re on maternity leave and you’re getting full pay, whether you decide to look for another job will depend on how far through your maternity period you are and how much you’re being paid. Your pay entitlement if you on contractual notice
If you have contractual notice, you’ll be entitled to your pay in the same way as if you were on statutory notice. So if your contractual notice period is three months, you’ll be entitled to three months’ pay (regardless of your redundancy package). The only difference is that if you’re on sick leave or maternity leave, you’ll get sick pay and maternity pay. This could be less than your normal full pay.
Of course, you still need to turn up for work so if you decide to leave your employer before the end of your notice period, you won’t get paid by that employer either.
Deciding whether to work your notice period
When your company tells you that it’s making you redundant they should also confirm your notice period and your end date. It’s important to remember that your notice period only starts when you have a formal redundancy notice and you’re given a finishing date. So don’t mistake the possibility of redundancy for redundancy itself.
Will you be paid during your notice period if you don’t work?
You’re entitled to get your notice pay (including all your work benefits such as pension contributions) even if your employer says you don’t have to work during your notice period. However, if your contract states that your employer can cease your benefits when you’re made redundant, they can avoid making those payments. Check your contract.
If you don’t have to work your notice period, it could mean that:
you’re on gardening leave i.e. you’re paid as usual until the end of your notice period, but you don’t have to go to work.
you receive pay in lieu of notice (PILON) i.e. you get all your notice pay in one go and your job ends straight away.
Of course, if you’re in either of these situations, you can go ahead and start looking for a new job as soon as you want to although if you’re on gardening leave, you may not be able to start a new job until your official leaving date.
What does gardening leave mean?
If you’re given gardening leave, you’ll get your normal pay at the normal time. You’ll also get any benefits you’re entitled to. However, your job won’t officially end until you have reached your finishing date (even if you don’t have to go to work).
On the plus side, this could increase your redundancy pay if the extra time you’re employed leads you to complete another full year of employment. On the minus side, it means you can’t start a new job unless your current employer agrees, because under the terms of gardening leave, your employer can still ask you to come into work from time to time.
What does PILON mean?
PILON is by far a better approach to redundancy for you as an employee. Not only will you get your full notice pay in one go, your job will end immediately, leaving you free to look elsewhere. There are some differences in how you pay tax depending on your contact.
If your contract states that your employer is permitted to give you pay in lieu of notice or your employer often gives people pay in lieu of notice, then you’ll pay tax as normal and your job will end straight away.
However, if pay in lieu of notice isn’t mentioned in your contract and your employer doesn’t usually give it, you could have two additional benefits.
You won’t pay tax on your notice pay unless your notice pay and your redundancy pay together add up to more than £30,000.
Even though you don’t work your notice period, your statutory notice period is added to your length of service, which could increase your redundancy pay.
Your decision to leave your job during your notice period is going to be influenced by your personal financial situation, the redundancy and notice pay you’re entitled to and whether you’re on gardening leave or receive PILON. Only you will know whether the money you’re entitled to is worth waiting for or not. Taking holiday during your notice period
It’s up to your employer to decide whether you can take holiday time during your notice period. However, it’s worth remembering that you’ll be paid for any remaining holiday time that’s left when you leave your job, but check your contract for details.
You may not want to take your holiday during your redundancy notice period, but your employer can tell you to do this. However, your employer must give you notice at least two days in advance for every day of holiday you take. That means if they want you to take five days’ holiday, they’ll have to give you 10 days’ notice. Again, check your contract for details.
Leaving your job during your notice period
If you get another job, you might want to leave your job during your notice period. If this is the case, you can ask your employer to change your finishing date. If they agree to change the date, you’ll still be entitled to your redundancy pay although, of course, you won’t continue to be paid by your old employer. Most employers will agree simply because it saves them money.
However, don’t leave early without your employer’s written agreement or you’ll be deemed to have resigned. That means you won’t get your redundancy pay. If your employer doesn’t agree to you leaving early and you don’t want to lose your redundancy pay, you may need to ask your new employer if you can start working for them at a later date. Depending on your personal situation, the security of having another job to go to may outweigh the benefits of having some extra cash in the form of a redundancy payment.
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After the mess we’ve seen in aberdeen and the complete shambles of the drilling dept it’s easy to see why BoD was selected to shut down. It was predicted and deserved.
I think most now just want to know what kind of severance to expect and a realistic time frame, dont let them go the cloak and dagger route, if its fact post it, if BH genuinely hadn’t already made the decision to close woodside, This is not how they would go about it. Probably made the decision and are now letting us work with them on figuring out how to go about finishing the work etc . Its really sad times a lot families going struggle now.. especially is this current climate, lets try show respect on here and try and stick together to ensure we get a decent SEVERANCE
Think at the moment we are all in the dark?, has the consultation started? How will it be communicated? Nomination of reps first step?
Good idea and well said