Thread regarding Gulfstream Aerospace layoffs

Government Programs - A Sinking Ship

Gov't Programs has lost approximately half of their workforce in the last couple of years. Yes, some to the RIF last year, but many have left on their own. This was NEVER heard of in the past. Many would argue that Gov't Programs has long been known as the "Creme de la Creme" place to to work at GAC, so what gives? Happy people making great money and who enjoy their work don't up and leave. Sounds like a "LEDASHIP" problem to me!!! What are the SVP's qualifications anyway? Any aviation experience prior to coming to GAC?

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Doesn’t matter who you bring back, doesn’t matter who’s working in government programs now. Your company’s leadership team doesn’t have a desire to support government and special missions aircraft development. It’s Bombardier’s business in a few years and your company let it happen. This is one of the reasons I promptly resigned and moved on. Whoever you are, you should do the same, or don’t be surprised when you’re walking out to your car with a box full of your sh-t.

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Post ID: @3fbn+1caxWpdb

Too bad we can’t bring Comman, Harden and Rozier back! They’d have this place straightened out before the sun set!!!

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Post ID: @3ifi+1caxWpdb

Fu-k the EPRs, a literal rigged system to prioritize who to put on the next layoff.

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Post ID: @2dhx+1caxWpdb

Come on now! Why is everyone beating up on our illustrious leader. She had a solid Navy career in Cyber and IT, retiring out as an 0-5. For those not in the know, retiring after 20 years at an O-5 is considered "Standard", like getting solid 3s on your EPRs year after year at GAC. Aviation-experience wise, I can only hope she may have gotten a first-class upgrade at least a few times. Initially hired on to help HC and those standing up the Hong Kong/Bejing effort, once that folded, what to do with her became a quandary. General rank had just lost the phoebe fight and the jugheads in executive HR musta thought Hey, she's got military experience. And oh by the way, a woman of color for our D&I Checkmark!!! The rest is history. I just hope the history can change for the better soon, and I solidly believe that requires an immediate change of leadership. Oh wait, who said "LEDASHIP"!!!! Good One!!!!

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Post ID: @2pol+1caxWpdb

All good, proven and grounded comments. But the real kick in the head is knowing that Gulfstream, who is supposed to be so respectable and ethical, intentionally bids "false headcount" into these efforts, and then once contract is awarded, do not man the workforce to fulfill the bid, using the cloak that it's Firm-Fixed Price. Man!!! that's just not unethical, it's ILLEGAL!!! GAC Legal is supposedly well aware and good with it, but one day Uncle Sam's gonna come a knockin' and not even "Outside Counsel" will save us!!! Orange Jumpsuits people!!! Orange Jumpsuits!!! Not to mention the bigger picture of ruining GD's ability to contract with Uncle Sam thereafter...

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Post ID: @2hqa+1caxWpdb

Here’s an example of your competition, utilizing airframes that are in-production, and coming after your as--s like white on rice: https://specializedaircraft.bombardier.com/en

Here’s your Special Missions marketing pitch, all based on a G550 that is no longer in production, like a history page on Wikipedia: https://gulfstream.com/en/aircraft/special-missions/

Life’s short. If you’re not of retirement age, the time to leave was last year.

Lucky you, it appears there’s just a bit more time for you to leave before the government programs SVP implodes the business and GAC can’t perform the program management aspect of the contracts, allowing the customer to cancel for cause. In the process, your CPAR will have a low rating based on the company’s inability to perform (because all the talented people walked away and your new hires clearly quit before they start, too), and any hope for future U.S. government business is doomed.

Get out now. Walk away with your head high.

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Post ID: @2mxr+1caxWpdb

May 2020 layoff, sorry. He-l, there probably was one this year. I don’t know, I’ve been gone a little while. I was humbly someone who could be counted on to perform within the government programs group, and when I submitted my notice, the manager let me leave without so much as trying to keep me on board. Instead, I got a duffel bag, a hat, and a keychain, but a more fulfilling version of the same role at another company that actually wants to win business and provide something awesome for the armed forces.

So, it worked out, just like it will work out for you if you choose to come with the rest of us, spread your wings, and leave the dumpster fire behind you.

The leadership team and the SVP destroyed the government programs business, not you. I can assure you I watched all of you, past and present, crush it every single day. Take your skills elsewhere, now.

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Post ID: @2jna+1caxWpdb

It’s true that GAC government programs was a group considered to be the “A team”. I worked with these people and I was honored and absolutely humbled to have been brought into that fold. These people came to work proud of what they were doing for their country’s armed forces, which is a completely different vibe than the typical chin-wiping and customer boot licking that occurs in the mostly commercial side of the business.

Then, it slowly started to die. A SVP was brought in, someone that is a former Naval officer; however, entirely incompetent and unfit to command a respectful, humble, and intelligent workforce such as the government programs group.

The May 2021 layoff crushed the group, somewhere between 12-20 just in the program office alone, not to mention engineers. For those who don’t know, government programs such as large support contracts have a pretty typical billing and invoicing cycle: monthly. The same amount of money was being brought in monthly, yet the SVP laid off people that were clearly bid into CLS and ESC programs but kept billing the customer for it. It’s all about the money. Ripping off the armed forces is just a means to an end.

For me personally, as a former government programs loyalist, the thoughtless May 2021 layoff and the decision to cut all funding for a next-generation VIP/special missions platform (such as working the AAP or G700 into a G550-style platform) helped me make my decision to GTFO as quickly as possible. It proved to me that the company wasn’t interested in this type of work, which is interesting because GAC is a subsidiary of a defense contractor with multiple business units full of defense-specific expertise that could be shared. But, GAC operates in its own bo-m-or-burst bubble, and the government programs business unit can’t sustain itself through CLS and maintenance contracts alone. There’s no platform to replace the current, aging platform. In other words, when the C-20s go, the C-37s will get rode hard and hung up wet, and when their time comes, GAC won’t have a platform, and will hand the business to Bombardier Specialized Aircraft, which is Bombardier’s special missions aircraft business. The Air Force just signed a contract to buy four E-11s from Bombardier, and what’s to say they aren’t gonna capture Leeeeda’s shortcomings at the expense of all of you?

The lungs of the government programs business unit started to fail about four years ago, and the May 2021 layoffs and the decision to stop developing the next-gen platform is what put it on life support. Unfortunately, for all of you still supporting this business unit, you’re in the pneumonic and intubated stage of SARS; it’s over.

Please go elsewhere for your own dignity. You deserve it.

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Post ID: @2rgc+1caxWpdb

It is definitely a leadership problem. It used to be you worked your bu-t off and if you were lucky someone would notice, give you a tap on the shoulder and give you a chance with missions.

After they hired the Big Douche to make employee structure changes they let any mo--n in the program. It all started sliding downhill. Appleton definitely lost some serious knowledge.

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Post ID: @1ncm+1caxWpdb

Probably because the only certified platform for govt programs just ended its production run. Definitely a leadership problem, but higher than SVP level.

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