Thread regarding ConocoPhillips layoffs

Alarm bells ringing

Can someone please provide a logical explanation to the voluntary vaccination verification email that was sent out today?

If COP knew who was jabbed and who wasn’t, how would this solve anything? Would the number of cases magically decrease or disappear altogether? Of course not! It would only pit us against each other and virtue-signaling would be at an all time high (special lanyards and stickers!).

We all complain about leadership making terrible decisions and this is one we can actually fight back on. We must not play into their hands.

If you’ve been vaccinated, I strongly urge you to NOT disclose it. An employer has no legitimate ethical business reason for knowing that private information.

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Post ID: @OP+1cgl7SL0

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The old fear= control trick. Oldest one in the book.

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Post ID: @Ppuj+1cgl7SL0

I think someone’s tinfoil hat is ringing. I recommend removing the “everyone and the government is out to get me glasses” and then taking another look at the basic facts being presented.

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Post ID: @uwhi+1cgl7SL0

It’s my right to not get vaccinated.
To spread disease to all I encounter whether they like it or not.
To infect those who can’t get vaccinated for medics reasons.
To not give a #$&@ about my fellow humans.
God bless ‘Murica!

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Post ID: @khji+1cgl7SL0

Be aware of what's been happening with any information provided here that is not approved. Never seen anything like this before in my life, very scary times folks.

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Post ID: @idcs+1cgl7SL0

Why is everyone missing the point?

The point is that it's nobody's business whether or not I get a vaccine.

If you do not disclose this because it violates your rights, you're not an 'anti-vaxer' or some low IQ mo--n.

You just have enough self respect and courage to stand up for yourself, and your freedom to make decisions for how you live your life.

Is is the most fundamental freedom - how are we getting sucked into this vax or no vax debate? It's just basic freedom.

Are employees going to say I'm not allowed to eat ice cream since they've determined it's not healthy?

It's a very slippery slope - I've already made the decision that I'm willing to get fired for this - even if I do get the vaccine (or maybe I already have it).

Even if you're pro-vaccine, why do you want to force your neighbor to get it? It makes no sense. You're vaccinated, so why do you care?

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Post ID: @hdbb+1cgl7SL0

No reason to get upset about this. Consider it natural selection or an IQ test.

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Post ID: @glit+1cgl7SL0

Until the last few years vaccine hesitancy was mostly encountered in tribal areas of Africa and the Middle East. Very surprised how entrenched this phenomenon is becoming in the Western world.

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Post ID: @gqid+1cgl7SL0

Delta airlines just announced any anti-vax employees will have their health ins premiums increased by $200 per month to share the financial burden their decision causes the company. Average cost they’ve had for employees who are hospitalized fir covid is $50,000. Seems like a good middle ground. They won’t force it (and they shouldn’t), but they require you to take responsibility for your decision.

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Post ID: @fdoi+1cgl7SL0

wow . . saw what was posted . . . a.d.e is that for real?

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Post ID: @cldq+1cgl7SL0

I was fully vaccinated in March. I have no intentions to report my status to COP. It’s none of their business and gives them more ammo to force us to work in the office. I’m in IT and can get more done at home than in the office with constant distractions. Unless they offer some kind of financial or tangible benefit if I report my status, my vaccine card is staying at home in a drawer.

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Post ID: @9fzx+1cgl7SL0

‘WHO’S ON FIRST’ ……updated version.

HR: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
HR: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
HR: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
HR: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
HR: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
HR: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
HR: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
HR: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
HR: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
HR: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
HR: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
HR: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
HR: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
HR: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
HR: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
HR: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
HR: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
HR: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
HR: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
HR: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
HR: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
HR: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
HR: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
HR: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
HR: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
HR: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
HR: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
HR: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
HR: ‘Third base.’
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Post ID: @8eng+1cgl7SL0

Think about the potential attractiveness of a round of layoffs you could use to weed out those who might not be so inclined to fall in line all the time, use a potential new corporate vaccination policy to justify termination and not feel obliged to offer severance as has been done for previous layoffs, use that same potential new policy to justify even denying unemployment claims, and all the while be able to wrap the act in the banner of SAFETY! To a certain kind of person, this would be too much to resist. As a result, this discussion is very much about a different kind of layoff.

Before you assume too quickly ANY employer is only looking out for your best interest, think about a few things:

  1. Did the same group of people demanding you take a vaccine give you proper masks that actually do something (N95) when instructing you to go back to the office? Or did you receive recycled t-shirt material with a logo on it to put on your face?
  1. Did the same group of people demanding you take a vaccine proactively attempt to procure infusion and other therapeutic resources and broadly disseminate that information and resources to employees before a vaccine answer was an option?
  1. Did the same group of people demanding you take a vaccine also provide advice and perhaps even resources to you to identify critical vitamin and mineral deficiencies that could be used to boost your own immune system before a vaccine answer was an option? Do they still promote them or provide testing for them as extra layers of defense today alongside the vaccine? (my doctor proactively tested me and said up to 80% of their patients were deficient, and they're a proponent of the vaccine too)
  1. Will the same group of people demanding you take a vaccine also provide you a document stating they (the company) will pay for any and all potential damages that vaccine might cause, not just now but indefinitely into the future even past your employment? After all, you can't really hit an undo button here. Or are they asking you to take all the risk?
  1. Will the same group of people demanding you take a vaccine clearly define what the limitations are on these demands in the future? Every six months now whenever they decide so are you going to have to take arbitrary medications or inoculations for anything at all they perceive as a threat? What are the specific measurable criteria for mandatory vaccinations or medications going forward?

Think carefully before acting. Study actions more closely than words. Realize that something you agree to today might be much harder to take back tomorrow. Apply that to all situations in your life in general. That advice is not specific to any one company or circumstance.

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Post ID: @7hoc+1cgl7SL0

It would be one thing if COP merely wanted to internally collect anonymous data regarding vaccinated & unvaccinated employees for confidential auditing & surveying… but it is another entirely different thing to then ask those employees to wear something publicly around the office that makes it apparent to all their coworkers whether or not they are vaccinated. It opens Pandora’s box for further divide and discrimination in the workplace. COP already has a huge issue of “non-inclusivity”, or else they wouldn’t have chartered special committees & initiatives to research ways to mitigate further discrimination. And seeing the many anonymous hostile comments already being made on this thread either for or against vaccinations….This will only further “stir the p-t”.

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Post ID: @7imw+1cgl7SL0

Don't report your status. I'm from a larger competitor and we're seeing incredibly low vaccination numbers at our refineries. Granted workers could very well be vaccinated, they just are not providing their status. OP has made a legitimate argument, where does this intrusion end?

Reality is showing that just about everyone who is already vaccinated will be required to receive another booster as the vaccination has very low protection against Delta & Lambda varieties. Telling people they must get a vaccination that does little to protect them "just because", or because you are vaccinated is absurd. The vaccinated can still catch it and still spread it so pretending to be morally superior is rather amusing. If Covid like every other pandemic continues to spout variants they will increasingly diminish the likelihood of death until it is far lower than your seasonal flu strain.

Implementing a lanyard or special badge color sticker is an invitation to class-action discrimination lawsuits. It is not hard to imagine that this WILL lead to a hostile work environment if we used the responses here alone about the unvaccinated as evidence. It will come out and it will be costly legal battle in the traditional sense and in court of public opinion.

To those on the fence about this, who have a real potential medical concern, call their bluff. Remember they want you to waive your rights because it protects them if something bad were to happen. They did not force you, you did it to yourself.

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Post ID: @7tcf+1cgl7SL0

Isn’t this a technical company, filled with engineers and scientists, and other disciplines requiring educated people? Yet people are wearing tin foil hats and look at this like it’s voodoo. Good grief people. Get a clue.

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Post ID: @6occ+1cgl7SL0

Hospital stays might get more expensive for anti-vax people who end up in critical care. Makes sense. Why should everyone else pay for their poor decisions?
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/refuse-vaccine-might-hit-expensive-080017749.html

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Post ID: @4xca+1cgl7SL0

OP again.
My goodness about 75% of responses completely missed the point of this post.

So let me rephrase:
If your employee asked the women if they’ve ever been pregnant, had a miscarriage or an ab-----n and they asked the men if they’re impotent, would you tell them? Oh and if you say yes to any of the above, then you wear something identifiable so everyone else knows.

Before you say “it’s not the same, I’m saving a life!” That is NOT the argument. The point is not to divulge medical history to a business (that you all constantly badmouth!) that shouldn’t be asking for it in the first place.

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Post ID: @3plv+1cgl7SL0

Wow. Lotta people living in alternate reality here. Hope you don’t need an ICU bed anytime soon. Good luck in your fantasy land. With employees like this, it’s no wonder COP is circling the drain.

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Post ID: @3buw+1cgl7SL0

For ConocoPhillips to request voluntary vaccination verification they must be getting pressure from government. Your mortality numbers are wrong. Chinavirus19 is like the flue. Mortality rates are about the same as influenza. CDC announced on CNN that deaths due to China virus were inflated possibly as much as 90%. Most deaths were co-China virus related such Pneumonia, Influenza, heart, kidney, liver, Diabetes, etc..
COVID (vaccines) won’t stop the spread.
COVID (vaccines) won’t prevent infection.
COVID (vaccines) are not FDA approved.
How can anyone build a legitimate case that requiring vaccinations will make any difference?

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Post ID: @3brn+1cgl7SL0

This is so weird that people are upset about the vaccination thing. It's not political. Every year ConocoPhillips offers you the flu vaccine for free conveniently at the office. The same as the COVID vaccine it makes it a safer work environment and keeps less of us from getting sick and especially more severe symptoms. I know the counter argument would be the flu vaccine is voluntary. I would counter that and say if the flu did become more severe like COVID then the company would make the flu vaccine mandatory as well to keep the workplace safer.

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Post ID: @2piu+1cgl7SL0

I’m not sure why it should matter to ConocoPhillips if we are vaccinated because what we are learning is that it doesn’t protect the people around you to be vaccinated?

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Post ID: @2vme+1cgl7SL0

It isn’t political.
Read some actual statistics and real world reports and turn off OAN and Fox.

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Post ID: @2jhd+1cgl7SL0

Again, it’s about gaining an advantage. It’s about eliminating the competition on a technicality vs. actually outperforming the competition. Some people play this game their whole lives. They spend more time avoiding work than it would take to do the work. This is a crisis they simply cannot afford to waste. They hope that those who are capable may just move on or out and create an opportunity. Don't underestimate the impact a Black Swan event can make on outcome.

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Post ID: @2erb+1cgl7SL0

kiss a good rating goodbye unless you proudly show you vax lanyard daily. you’ll struggle to get a 3 without it.

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Post ID: @2mwx+1cgl7SL0

If they decide to require vaccination and you feel so strongly about not doing it, quit. No one is forcing you to work for a company that is against your beliefs or standards. There are thousands and thousands who will be happy to have an opportunity to work for this company.

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Post ID: @1wrk+1cgl7SL0

Hard to read this stuff. Let me give you guys some advice that are calling people who don't want to get the vaccine names and trying to shame them.....p1zzing people off will never get them on your side. I cannot believe how many people act like they are all understanding and all knowing and say they want to talk about things, then start name calling and belittling. I don't GAF what others do on this issue or others, I'm talking about in general. Gee wh-z. If you want someone to do something, the quickest way you can get them to not do it is to start calling them names and belittling them. Glad I left this place, looks like they kept all the azzhole, know it alls.

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Post ID: @1lgr+1cgl7SL0

I honestly think some people want to be stuck in this pandemic forever. It's obvious vaccination is the only way out. Suing the company is a waste of time and will never win in court. Ask any legal expert. Also if we were all vaccinated at the office, we could loosen some safety protocols. This sounds cruel but I'd rather lose a few anti vax id--ts than wear a mask in office forever.

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Post ID: @1ekc+1cgl7SL0

While they are asking, can we also get a list of people who have had STD's, HIV, and hepatitis as well? I would also like to know who has never had chicken pox or HPV and has not been vax'd for it before. That way I can protect my health better...

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Post ID: @1jqq+1cgl7SL0

Yes the department of labor has already ruled company can mandate a vaccine that’s under emergency use authorization provided there’s a documented exception process for adverse health effects and strongly held religious reasons. We aren’t under a union collective bargaining agreement. If COP mandates it tough cookies

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Post ID: @1lhk+1cgl7SL0

The military can't require the vaccine until it is approved by the FDA. Don't I have a choice to refuse something not approved by FDA?

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Post ID: @1ixx+1cgl7SL0

@fxc hospital workers can sue the hospital requiring a vaccine because these nurses can get a job at another hospital. For us, you get fired, you’ll never find another job in this industry. And most of us are too scared to sue our employer, even if they are completely wrong. But this will be another nail in the coffin of employee morale and buy-in.

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Post ID: @ckk+1cgl7SL0

I have one co-worker that used to be in the military and the military made them take all kinds of vaccine. He said some left him with long-lasting issues. I got the vaccine and really thought everyone should, but after hearing his story I understand where he is coming from. One he talked about was the Anthrax vaccine. Also, you can educate yourself by going to the CDC VAERS site. All vaccines are tracked there, and you can see any adverse affects and deaths. You might be surprised at the information.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

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Post ID: @ikh+1cgl7SL0

Can I come to work with the Plague? Would anyone mind?

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Post ID: @lju+1cgl7SL0

Story I won’t relate here, but I came very close to suing the company several years ago. Yes, this is the death of your career but in some cases it’s the only course of action left. Check local headlines— this is happening (lawsuits against their employer for vaccination issues) is already occurring in Houston. When the company is so wrong there’s sometimes only one course of action left. Have courage and know others are taking action.

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Post ID: @fxc+1cgl7SL0

Agree, knowing who the anti-vaxxers are allows people to feel more comfortable by knowing who they need to keep a safer distance from. In the recent past there were small enclaves in the US where you knew you were at risk of catching Measles, Mumps, and Whooping Cough. Now it’s something potentially deadly, and the anti-vax mindset is more wide-spread, making the entire country at risk. Would definitely make me more comfortable not second guessing getting near anyone. Still don’t understand how Covid and vaccines are political.

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Post ID: @pyk+1cgl7SL0

What’s wrong with knowing who the nut jobs are that won’t get vaccinated? They are choosing to put the rest of us and our families and other community livelihoods at risk. Pro economy, pro business, pro vaccine. A more responsible company would not allow eligible unvaccinated employees to work from the office.

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Post ID: @ejc+1cgl7SL0

Glad I am retired. Good luck to everyone!

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Post ID: @epx+1cgl7SL0

OP here. Where did I say don’t get the vaccine? You do whatever you want to for your body and peace of mind.

I’m saying don’t DISCLOSE that information because it will serve no other purpose than stirring the p-t and turning coworker against coworker.

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