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IBM to allow only fully vaccinated to return to U.S. offices from September 7

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ibm-allow-only-fully-vaccinated-223506073.html

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Delta has started adding an insurance surcharge for non-vaccinated employees.

Maybe they will do that for passengers too.

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Post ID: @buss+1ckezhiq

Delta has started adding an insurance surcharge for non-vaccinated employees:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/delta-add-200-monthly-health-insurance-charge-unvaccinated-staff-2021-08-25/

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Post ID: @bimf+1ckezhiq

@bowc: Did you notice there is already a surcharge on some of the employee health plans for tobacco use? So adjusting premiums up or down for vaccine status could work the same way. For all the various healthcare criteria you listed, many large companies already address the same principle as a "discount" from the full charge health insurance premiums. It is totally voluntary whether you want to submit the info from various medical records and routine lab results to receive the discounts or not, but saving several hundred a year on health insurance premiums is a strong incentive for many of us. Companies in the US are not required to provide health insurance to employees, so they can put any criteria in the coverage they want and charge any price they want. According to public statistics, the average cost of a Covid-related hospitalization is about $75K, so this eventually increases premiums for all of us because insurance companies in the US are commercial entities organized to turn a profit, not government-funded agencies. If employees don't like the price or restrictions, they can go get more expensive private insurance on their own. Not saying this is a great thing, but that is the reality of where this can go.

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Post ID: @bqnd+1ckezhiq

"For those who choose to remain unvaccinated, don't be surprised if you soon have a surcharge on your health insurance premiums each paycheck because you are so much riskier to insure now. Wouldn't it be simpler to just go get the free vaccine and do your part to help us all get out of this pandemic mess sooner? "

really a surcharge? if that is the case then will there be surcharge for people who are over weight? A surcharge for people in a greater risk for HIV? a surcharge for people who scuba or sky dive? a surcharge for people with more DUIs or speeding tickets?

Full disclosure - I have gotten the shot because of my age and health reasons but -

do you see what is going on here? why is this being pushed so hard when for healthy young people it is not a great risk.

The govt now has business doing their bidding, forcing the shot on people and that is just not right.

this shot turning out to not be as advertised, we not have to get shot #3
and if they were wrong on that, are they wrong on the long term effects ?

right they don't know the long term effects yet.

as I have told many, you are worried then get the shot, you have health issues then get the shot, if your young and strong, then think about it.

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Post ID: @bowc+1ckezhiq

For those who choose to remain unvaccinated

Nah, I'd rather pay a surcharge and remain wfh vs dirty office.
The money saved on gas, clothes, coffee & lunch will offset.
Remember, the worst part of IBM are the people you work with.

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Post ID: @9eyz+1ckezhiq

For those who choose to remain unvaccinated, don't be surprised if you soon have a surcharge on your health insurance premiums each paycheck because you are so much riskier to insure now. Wouldn't it be simpler to just go get the free vaccine and do your part to help us all get out of this pandemic mess sooner?

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Post ID: @8wce+1ckezhiq
Have fun at the office vaxxers

Yes we will. You have fun being fired with no package, no warning, and no recourse.

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Post ID: @5wit+1ckezhiq

It’s official for both IBM/Kyndryl that unvaccinated will continue to wfh and not go in the office.

Have fun at the office vaxxers

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Post ID: @5wvl+1ckezhiq

check out slide 16 -

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-10/COVID-Anderson-508.pdf

google COVID-Anderson-508.pdf

or here https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/97349

Steve Anderson, PhD, MPP Director, Office of Biostatistics & Epidemiology, CBER ACIP Meeting October 30, 2020. ... - FDA plans on using CMS data for COVID-19 vaccine RCA - near real time with efforts. FDA COVID-19 vaccine safety surveillance planning.

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Post ID: @4ahc+1ckezhiq

@3rqi+1ckezhiq - one other thing to consider is how safe will the water supply be? Have they been flushing them during the year + the buildings have been closed? I am sure IBM or the companies that own our rented buildings will be doing this.

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Post ID: @4rfb+1ckezhiq

IBM has been silent on internal message boards about what measures are being taken to ensure the safety of employees once they enter IBM buildings. Air-handling upgrades? Sanitation standards? Vaccine card validation?

We have no idea what is waiting for us inside a site.

It's all well and good to 'go back to the office'. Absent information on how IBM intends to ensure safety, it's not a comforting idea.

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Post ID: @3rqi+1ckezhiq

To workers: PAPERS, PLEASE

see http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/

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Post ID: @1bzh+1ckezhiq

So when are they going to allow people to sue for side effects and ineffectiveness of this vaccine? Where is the accountability?

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Post ID: @1kau+1ckezhiq

Looks like those who are not vaccinated are the lucky ones who will get to work from home. Since the fully vaccinated are still getting COVID and are super spreaders, I am not sure what this policy is trying to accomplish. Seems being fully vaccinated will work against you.

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Post ID: @1apq+1ckezhiq

Reading the internal FAQ they are "evaluating whether they will be expanded to other IBM sites around the world". ie this will be in your country as soon as we push it through HR.

I assume it will go down like this.

  • Back to office for vaccinated
  • Work from Home scrapped
  • Mandatory back to office everyone

Now the approximately 20% unvaccinated will be forced to "voluntarily" leave without severance as they refuse to take the vaccine and they can't go back to the office.

Lets just hope in the next 12-24 months ADE doesn't kick in and we end up with zero employees due to now having 100% of employees fully vaccinated.

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Post ID: @uda+1ckezhiq

Many companies are choosing to allow employees to WFH and are adjusting to a new way of conducting business. IBM chooses to go backwards. Nobody is surprised.

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Post ID: @kvf+1ckezhiq

Mate, welcome to last week. This is old news.

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Post ID: @thd+1ckezhiq

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