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Advice for the suffering

We all know Oracle sucks but any advice on negotiating with an internal role change?

When does that conversation come up?

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I talked to a manager under the covers first. Basically did the whole interview with him before he even mentioned it to my manager. Then when he was ready to pull the trigger he approached him. Have to start out with - well I'm on so an so's team, love the division/products/customers and the team members but wouldn't want to rock the boat unless you're certain about me. Got it?! Then when you go you need to act like you're sad to leave your other manager.

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Post ID: @Zmhv+1dSZO7hR

At some other companies, you can apply for an internal transfer without notifying your current manager. At Oracle, your manager can and usually does block it.

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Post ID: @Wzgs+1dSZO7hR

It's not worth it to make a change at Oracle. I worked for 3 managers who were all pretty much up to the same tricks. It's not worth bothering. The toxic atmosphere is everywhere. You should use your time to get out of the company. If you are going to get your resume together to move somewhere inside Oracle, just do yourself a favor and work to get out of there entirely.

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Post ID: @myzb+1dSZO7hR

I found an internal position I wanted to apply to, asked my manager for his blessing, to which he declined but promoted me and started looking for opportunities within his org. 3 years later and I've survived multiple RIF's.

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Post ID: @mkxy+1dSZO7hR

Tell them you want to transfer and you will get RIF’d. Great! I’ll try that!

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Post ID: @8qpn+1dSZO7hR

Don't want to make you paranoid, but if your manager thinks you're looking for a move, even if it's internal, you might be moved to the top of the RIF list because they know you're looking. I think that's what happened to me; I approached my manager about looking for another role in the company and less than 2 months later I was RIF'd. You're supposed to get approval from your manager before you start looking, but a friend who's still at Oracle said she had her internal transfer all arranged with her new manager before she told her existing manager. And she transferred without any problems. (By the way, she hasn't rec'd any raises or promotions, but at least she didn't get RIF'd. ) So if you're contemplating an internal transfer, think about your strategy. Telling your existing manager is proper protocol, but then they know you're looking. On the other hand, if you try to go behind your manager's back, that might look bad to both any prospective new managers and to your existing manager.

I say if you're going to look for a new role, do it outside of Oracle and do it on the DL. When you find another job, leave as quickly as possible. Say you're happy to give them a two week notice, but let them know you're willing to leave soon. You can say, "I'm happy to give you a two week notice, but if you think it'll be too much of a distraction to the group/team, I can leave sooner." Don't talk to any of your colleagues or managers about looking, and be ready to be shown the door the day you give your notice. If you stay the two weeks, be as professional and cordial as possible, but don't say too much. Still be positive about your managers, colleagues, and the company. You'll need them for references down the road.

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Post ID: @8yka+1dSZO7hR
I had a lateral move this past year to a new GBU. despite having no raise the year previous (Due to Covid! ) , I also got no raise this year! (old business unit screwed me over and wasn't in new business unit long enough). Despite working for same company all this time. So it's an effective pay cut.

You do know that they are lying to you when they come up with the excuses for no raise, don't you? You need to get out of Oracle.

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Post ID: @6dnj+1dSZO7hR

I had a lateral move this past year to a new GBU. despite having no raise the year previous (Due to Covid! ) , I also got no raise this year! (old business unit screwed me over and wasn't in new business unit long enough). Despite working for same company all this time. So it's an effective pay cut.

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Post ID: @5iat+1dSZO7hR

In the states you could lay him off but not fire him. No way.

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Post ID: @3jkc+1dSZO7hR

I remember a good tech guy found another internal role. The manager ruined the transfer and also let the guy go. Internal transfers are not safe

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Post ID: @2rcy+1dSZO7hR

Find the role and apply. And ask up front if it’s a lateral or if there is a raise. They are doing these things called “management transfers”, so they can hurt people’s pockets even worse. HR will defend it even if you had no notice. There are some grand plans for these people who want to do people wrong.

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Post ID: @1bjp+1dSZO7hR

If it's a lateral move, and you had a raise in last 12 months, Oracle won't give you anything for the move.

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Post ID: @1wos+1dSZO7hR

Find a good boss. Otherwise, leave.

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Post ID: @wci+1dSZO7hR

Duh. Advice is don't bother negotiating anything. Find another job somewhere else instead.

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Post ID: @hyf+1dSZO7hR

When you're on a private plane landing on a small island near Hawaii.
That's the time to broach this touchy subject.
Speaking of touchy subjects - it's called 'touchy feely' on the island.

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