And so it begins. Will be interesting to see how many employees comply with the December 8 deadline, and how many will simply leave. I'm not anti-tax, but am anti-mandate, and would like to see enough take a stand that it rattles Palo Alto to the core. Did it ever occur to the execs to simply drop the government contracts instead and keep a large number of employees happy? It is not like we really need that business to survive, we are plenty profitable without the Feds.
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Is this post still getting oxygen, dude, get the vaccine or not, I don't care. Vmware has the right to terminate you if you don't. Suck it up and get the jab or look for a job, literally billions of people have made the choice you are too and dealt with it. Believe in stupid conspiracies or don't, make your choice and let this thread die.
Control over your actions
Wear a mask
Get the vaccine
This is 'government control'? Are you daft?
The government does not have to pull it off
They are getting the coward corporate execs to do their dirty work
What the h-e-double-hockey-sticks are you going on about?
Making rules to ensure health and safety of the populous is
now dirty work?
Let's have a little mind experiment. I know you won't actually play along,
everything you folks is saying is always in bad faith. But, I'm gonna do it anyway.
Do you want people carrying typhoid to work in the food industry?
How about TB? What if Ebola were to reappear in the US (hint: it probably will, it's just a matter of time)?
Did you know that there are several cases of bubonic plague every year in the US?
Yup, but you never hear about it because the rules put up to protect society actually work.
This is about workplace and societal safety. You want to be in society, you have
to follow the rules. If you don't want to follow the rules, then don't be surprised
when the consequence of your actions results in being shunned.
It's about giving the government control.
Control of what?
Do you believe the government is competent enough to pull this off?
No one is forcing you to get vaccinated. No one is forcing you to work at a job. No one is forcing you to go to a restaurant. No one is forcing you to go to a ball game. No one is forcing you to have friends. No one is forcing you to live in society. Just get the jab. Just comply. Just give in. Just do what you are told. People are frightened. People want to feel safe. People don't like it when other people don't agree with them. Why can't you understand this? It's not all about you. It's about making the frightened people feel safe. It's about giving the government control. After all they know better. You are just a cog in the machine.
Everything in life is a choice. And every choice has consequences. It is still your choice to get vaccinated or not. No one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated. If you chose not to, the consequence is that you will not be getting a paycheck from VMware. There is a lot of job openings all around that will not need the applicant to be vaccinated. Feel free to choose that if not getting vaccinated is more important to you.
For those that believe that Pfizer shots are FDA approved, please see Pfizer’s own
admission here in the first 10 lines.
Disinformation. Comirnaty is the marketing name of the same dr-g.
For those that believe that Pfizer shots are FDA approved, please see Pfizer’s own admission here in the first 10 lines.
The only approved shot is Comirnaty and it is not available yet.
The hospital ICUs are not full. The front line doctors and nurses are not for the mandates. The corrupt politicians are forcing them out. The politicians and VMware leaders don’t care about you.
"Darwinism is in full effect. There are people who trust your government and main stream media propaganda; others know better"
Say the geniuses who are trusting Facebook posts, "Q" on the dark web and conspiracy theories. Yes, Darwinism is in full effect - the hospital ICU's are full of the "others who know better and did their own researches" and are dying due to this "better knowledge".
Darwinism is in full effect. There are people who trust your government and main stream media propaganda; others know better. I will leave it at that. People who get it , get it. Others will never understand.
I'm glad to see we have a decent population already volunteering for the January layoffs this year, which should prevent some decent people from losing their jobs because of the blanket X% reductions that tend to go around. I know that on my team the people already up in arms about this are exactly the ones that need to be bounced for performance anyway.
It's easy for the media sheep to label those who think critically about this jab as "anti-vaxxers". Falls in line with big brother dividing it's people. There's strength in unity and weakness in division.
I'm confident many of us have received actual vaccines that prevent infectious diseases like Polio, Chickenpox, Measles and the like. I'm no doctor or anti-vaxxer but to characterize this vaccine as the same is simply incorrect.
Hence why we ask what risks is this vaccine protecting against for those who already have antibodies?
2/3 of the employees are against the vaccine mandate?? HAHAHA... absolutely not. Most of us are totally in favor of it, because we are not scared children that think the Government is out there to get us and who are paranoid about everything. And we do understand the importance of herd immunity through vaccination so if the "don't tell me what to do" crowd wants to continue putting their foot down, great - face the consequences.
I'm particularly loving it and makes me like VMware more. Enough of this nonsense.
HR has replied that the vaccination requirement applies to all US employees even if they don't work on government contracts and even if they are 100% work from home. From the reactions on here I estimate that 2/3rds of employees are against the vaccine requirement. Given the many management blunders and the executive departures I have seen more people leaving. This vaccine mandate will increase the number of departures. In my area critical people are leaving and product revenues are crashing. I don't see how VMware can survive.
Have fun with no money antivaxers.
A lot of people have done well over the years at VMW and don't need the paycheck. They can walk away if they do not agree with this discriminatory policy. Everybody can make their own choice. Though based on your comment I can tell you have not been financially successful. I am sorry this is happening to you.
Good luck to all.
It is also worth noting that the more employees they can run off using the executive mandate and unpaid leave in December, the less they have to offer packages when the annual downsizing comes in January.
Sanjay, Pat, and nearly every other Silicon Valley CEO would have also caved. You can see it taking place at other tech companies as well. Allegedly these guys are all smart and well-connected. You would think they would join forces in fighting this thing. It would have been so great to see every .GOV cloud go dark on December 8th, but this crowd just doesn't have the spine or intestinal fortitude for it. So much for the myth of Silicon Valley mavericks, rule breakers, and visionaries.
Disappointed? No. He is exactly the CEO I expected.
What would Sanjay do?
Coward CEO completely silent all day.
Crisis Management Team silent.
I am sure they are watching the slack channels and social page.
Disappointed? No. He is exactly the CEO I expected.
If you are watching the internal message board around this, you will see that the silence from the C-suite is deafening. You can also safely bet that for every one person who is speaking out against this mandate, there are at least 10 or 20 who are not. People are pi---d at being blindsided by this decision, and that it appears the leadership and legal teams didn't even try to protest this thing.
But I get it. Put yourself in the shoes of a senior VMware executive, follow the money, and things will begin to make sense. You are leading a 23 year old software company that is trying to remain relevant and hit financial targets, to which are tied your most significant personal financial rewards. 70% of your business comes from the private sector, and that sector has spent the last few years moving away from your wares and into the cloud (and continues to). 30% of your business comes from the federal government, and is one of the only sectors that is still an actively increasing buyer of your wares. Now, all of a sudden, that federal government brings down a mandate on your private sector customers and your own company. What do you do? Even if you have the principle to protest (which is very questionable for current set of executives), do you bite at the only hand that is increasingly feeding you? Or do you cave in order to hang on for just a little longer to get your RSU's vested? I think the actions (or non-actions) of the C-suite are making the answer pretty clear.
Wonder if there is a package with the departure, similar to layoffs.
Regardless of how anyone feels about the vaccines, this mandate does not even apply to a large percentage of VMware employees, so I am surprised that VMW execs and Legal have so poorly understood and communicated the mandate. I have read and re-read the actual text of President Biden's "Executive Order on Ensuring Adequate COVID Safety Protocols for Federal Contractors" (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors/), as well as the guidance from the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force (https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/faq/contractors/). The Task Force's guidance very clearly states, "These workplace safety protocols will apply to all covered contractor employees, including contractor or subcontractor employees in covered contractor workplaces, who are not working on a Federal Government contract or contract-like instrument"; but also states, "A covered contractor workplace does not include a covered contractor employee's residence". This means that the Executive Order does not encompass employees who meet both of these criteria: 1. do NOT work on or in connection with a Federal contract or contract-like instrument, AND 2. work from their personal residence.
Again, I don't see how the execs and VMW Legal could have misinterpreted this. Or perhaps they just don't care and chose to take the "scorched Earth" approach, which wouldn't be the first time and will only serve to alienate a large number of good employees even further.
What a bunch of toddlers throwing a tantrum. Just quit then and go work for a company that doesn't enforce you to take the life saving vaccine. Maybe MyPillow guy is hiring.
VMW has been put in a difficult position. Some will choose to stay while others will move on. A few colleagues at another company where they have implemented the same requirement indicated they are going to move on. The ironic part is that their decision is not the vaccine per say. Two of the three are big into DEI and one is an URM (she is African American). Their issue is that they view the policy as discriminatory and really no different than banning trans people from working there. Everybody has their own viewpoint on it and certainly there is merit to this one. One of these individuals essentially said she cannot work at an organization the requires a segment of their employees to ride on the back of the bus. Her view and words and a pretty interesting perspective. I tend to think that perspective is more of the issue than the vaccine itself. Can you imagine the uproar if all of a sudden a company took a decision to offload a URM group based on their personal beliefs? The third person was on the way out anyway with life perspective change of direction.
Anyway you look at it though is that this is about the money and it is certainly unfair to those that choose not to comply with the mandate along with probably being discriminatory. Everyone has their own life situation and needs to make their own choice as to what is best for their family. I believe history will judge this Exec Order similar to how history judges how women at one time were not allowed to vote, African Americans had to sit in a separate section at a restaurant, g-y people were not allowed to marry and so forth. I also believe that history will also judge company’s that went along with the mandate very poorly similar to how history judges plantation owners. A tough situation for all involved employees and company’s that are wrestling with how to handle the mandate.
Best of luck to all with whatever you decide.
If a company said I had to get neutered guess what I wouldn't work there. Just like if you don't want covid shot you don't have to work here. So simple yet nobody wants to admit that vmware is to good with benefits and pay for them to give up right now
So what's more important your "my rights" talk or what's in your bank account.
yeah right, this time you're agree on what they say, eventually they'll force issue on you that you do not agree
one day they'll say having pe--s is very very bad , all male will need to be neutered by dec 31 or else you cannot work
Why having a pe--s is bad, removing all with get rid of ALL ra-e, removing it will reduce male hormones hence less aggression. makes you live longer, look at all the pros of getting neutered. If you don't, you're anti science.
L o L at the free country speel. This a free market country. You can be refused to have a wedding cake made because you are g-y, not allowed to vote because you are a convicted felon etc. This country may have some freedoms but we are not a "free country"
Cool thing about this free market is if you don't like it go to a different employer who doesn't require the vaccine.
The anecdotal evidence around negative side effects from the vaccines is starting to stack up to the point that it can no longer be ignored and there will have to be some official studies on them. You saw this same thing happen with medical ma------a over a period of years, but in a good way. First the stories of its benefits were purely anecdotal, until they became too numerous to be ignored. And now finally those in positions of authority are having to give it some serious attention and study.
You will see the same dynamic play out with the vaccines. First it will just be the occasional story of your relative, friend, or neighbor who died of myocarditis, or succumbed to a cancer they should have easily beaten, or suffered infertility; all after they received their vaccine. This will not happen immediately, but will build over the next 2-3 years. Until it becomes too big of a problem to ignore. And then it will be too late for many, with no recourse to those who caused it. Call me a lunatic, a conspiracy theorist, or a fear monger if you want. You just might be correct...until you're not.
Read all the people's comments
I'm antivaxxer, so what? I immigrate to this country I thought I have some kind of freedom. I'm not anti ING you to not take the vaccine, I'm just not injecting something I don't want in my body, so this suppose to be free country i can't even decide not to inject experimental stuff into my body(for those say it's not, just tell me where is the long term side effect study, don't give me the BS FDA approve shxx, they skip it, covid start 2019, this is 2020, and this thing release in 2020, you cannot have long term side effect study in few months PERIOD)
for those who took it and no side affect, great for you, you're protected, so why scared of the ones that is not vaccinated since you're protected, unless you know the shxx you taking is useless, which pretty much everyone with a decent brain know it's useless(it doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading, means it's not a vaccine.
For those of us know close one lost by vaccine injury and refuse to inject this thing, stand hard, try every option we have.
Cancer, menstrual cycle(non stop bleeding, completely stopped before 40), inflammation, stroke . Yes, i know personally people with these issue after the shots. Some might not think it's the shot since happens few months after, but more and more coincidence? and what do they have in common? and what else, when they see doctor, doctor refuse to determine it's the vaccine, and they don't even try to do deep troubleshooting and deny it right away.
Good Luck all
Yall realize that the flu vaccine is a net new vaccine every year yet is also required by some of our clients before we can go on site with them. Like mandates aren't new. The military gets jabbed with all sorts of sh-t and nobody bi----s about that either. Everyone is saying they aren't anti Vax but are anti mandate yet have never fought the other mandates just mentioned.
Look, we all work in corporate America and we all know what happens when corporations rush a product to market (usually not good). We've seen plenty of product defects and QA issues with our own products here at VMware; and big Pharma companies are no different (but the stakes are far higher). The hard truth is, there is no replacement for time. Nothing will get around the fact that only time will reveal the true effects and side-effects of any vaccine, medication, or medical procedure. Obviously we know now a lot more about the vaccines than we did a year ago, and we will know much more a year from now. You simply don't mandate a vaccination under these circumstances, especially when there are a litany of alternate therapeutic remedies that have shown to be effective.
And yes, it was a cowardly move for Raghu to blindside everyone late on a Friday afternoon/evening. And even more cowardly for the VMW execs to cave to this completely unnecessary and unjustified mandate.
“Can you show proof that none of the those are true for the vaccines
that you refuse to take?”
Just look at Israel. Those that were considered fully vaccinated are no longer considered so. Truly a demonstration of its effectiveness, or rather complete lack thereof.
How many more jabs are you willing to accept? The goal posts will continue to be moved unless people stand up and say enough is enough.
I look forward to seeing this challenged in court. The right of
autonomy over one’s body is a basic fundamental human right.
You folks keep saying this, but offer no hint on the method.
How is it going to be challenged?
It is reductionist nonsense to label those cautious of the covid
vaccines as “anti-vaxxers”.
Actually, it's very precise use of English.
A good vaccine should provide long term immunity, with little to no
side effects and be safe to take.
Can you show proof that none of the those are true for the vaccines
that you refuse to take?
These rushed MRNA vaccines do not even fit the standard definition
I hope that many employees do not give into this medical fascism
that is being imposed upon them. No one should have to take an
experimental dr-g for their own livelihood, there needs to be an
open and honest conversation about the efficacy of the vaccine, but
all we have is propaganda.
The medical community is happy to share, and has shared, their data in
an honest manner. You have to listen.
I will not comply!
I look forward to seeing this challenged in court. The right of autonomy over one’s body is a basic fundamental human right.
It is reductionist nonsense to label those cautious of the covid vaccines as “anti-vaxxers”. A good vaccine should provide long term immunity, with little to no side effects and be safe to take. These rushed MRNA vaccines do not even fit the standard definition of “vaccine”.
I hope that many employees do not give into this medical fascism that is being imposed upon them. No one should have to take an experimental dr-g for their own livelihood, there needs to be an open and honest conversation about the efficacy of the vaccine, but all we have is propaganda.
Please do not be coerced into a medical procedure you’re not comfortable with. There are thousands if not millions standing with you.
VMware's decision to mandate the vax will only further erode the last bits of honor we once had. EPIC anything is laughable at this point. For those that stay it will be a place of get my job done, get paid, and don't expect anything else from me.
Why are we dismissing naturally acquired immunity when the vaccination does not prevent one from contracting or spreading the virus? What type of risks are we actually preventing for those who already have antibodies? Google for or against and the answer is ultimately your decision.
So very disappointed for a number of reasons.
- Cowardly timing of the email. Brand new CEO sends a corporate wide email that directly impacts all of his employees and their FAMILIES on a Friday evening. Thanks for the surprise, the stress, and heartache. Be a man, send it out during normal business hours and face your employees.
- EPIC2 values and DE&I thrown right out the door. Here are VMware we celebrate all cultures, races, identifications, preferences, disabilities and we have "Equal Pay for Equal Work" - unless you do not receive an INJECTION.
Everyone at VMware has adapted to a new way of work in the past two years and have exceeded all expectations. Working longer hours to ensure all of our customers could continue their operations.
We did all of this WITH & WITHOUT INJECTIONS.
Mr. Raghuram you should be doing everything in your power to ensure that your employees can continue to support their customers, their families, and their career.
“ I have heard that 30% of our business with with Governments. I don't think we can just walk away from that.”
Do you think that government agencies want to have their projects disrupted? Will they just stop work and change vendors? Maybe Hunter Biden and his consulting company will jump in.
I have heard that 30% of our business with with Governments. I don't think we can just walk away from that.