Thread regarding Gulfstream Aerospace layoffs

Interviewed with Gulfstream recently. If offered, should I take (disregarding layoff history)?

Entry engineering role in Georgia. It's related to manufacturing engineering, but what concerns me is the number of layoffs and how many hours it seems like most people end up putting in.... (and the fact that comp. is probably not golden handcuffs like some other palces that have high working hours"

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Post ID: @OP+1e6HKqmb

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The short answer is NO,
The long answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Seriously if you have no better offers then it’s not bad for some entry level experience. Just leave on your terms later.
Unfortunately if you work hard and do a great job , and if your boss finds that you are now competing for his job then they just use BS riffs (reduction in force) to get rid of you. Kind of like a nest full of baby chicks . Gotta push out the weaker one (who could be more talented) just so their isn’t any competition.
Pretty sad but true .

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Post ID: @Tgwq+1e6HKqmb

Got laidoff in the May 2020 execution. You are a number even if you put a ton of effort. However, watch out for the consequences of a possible layoff: gulfstream is the only aerospace employer in town. I highly recommend to be in a city where you can go next door in case of a layoff. Moving to a different city isn't cheap. Also, don't trust Mark Burns, heard him multiple times saying "no layoff" then layoff the following week.

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Post ID: @jmrr+1e6HKqmb

If you come here save every penny you can because you can’t count on staying employed even if you work your a s s off. When you least expect it, probably after your most recent glowing performance review that comes with no raise or promotion, you’ll be walked to the door by security with your belongings in a box

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Post ID: @cioy+1e6HKqmb

You could go to Glassdoor or the various other job review sites and read all the fake HR generated reviews. You could also get on LinkedIn and witness the virtual version of the a-s kissing required.

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Post ID: @awrr+1e6HKqmb

where else are we supposed to gossip about this he-l ho-e? this all we have to a reddit page

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Post ID: @aqkk+1e6HKqmb

'Disregarding layoff history' and asking this question on a site that is literally named 'thelayoff' is like asking the barber if you need a haircut.

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Post ID: @alyl+1e6HKqmb

Take it if it’s the best thing on your plate right now. Plan to leave though. I watched every great entry level employee we ever hired walk out the door for better opportunities. Over petty things like $5K a year. Every. Single. One. GAC has no idea how to retain talent. I’m not sure it’s ever occurred to them that employee turnover costs around $200,000.00 per employee. They think you’re an easily replaceable warm body. Don’t expect hard work and talent to move you up. Only lips on the correct a— will do that.

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Post ID: @9wmz+1e6HKqmb

Gulfstream is a terrible company, keep on walking.

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Post ID: @6dse+1e6HKqmb

Gulfstream is now a corporate cesspool like any other sold out American corporation. Find a job where you want to live because at their core, all American corporations are the same trash operating by the same pathetic playbook. Enter any corporate job with your eyes wide open about the reality that you must do whatever you can to suck as much out of the relationship for yourself. When you are salary, you must do whatever it takes to get the highest salary, work the fewest hours, take on the least responsibility, and fully utilize any other benefits for yourself. I promise you the evil management who will try to suck the life out of you are doing much worse.

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Post ID: @4wpj+1e6HKqmb

The one choice worse than Gulfstream is Raytheon.

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Post ID: @2nms+1e6HKqmb

If you join the company now, you have at least 18-24 months before you’re a layoff target based on what I see in our programs and holes still not filled after May 2020 firings. If you’re entry level, you won’t be a target sooner than that because you’ll be inexpensive and not 50+ years old. You might even have a good 5 years before your a target if you’re good. Then take your experience to the next job.

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Post ID: @2ymt+1e6HKqmb

If you have other options, I’d consider those. GAC will view you as disposable and you should do the same with GAC. Don’t marry the company/job, stay out of cliques. Take the job if you need a paycheck and experience on your resume. Do not chain yourself to Savannah Georgia. I’d plan to leave after 2 years. Use them to get paid for experience then leave when you have better options available. They will use you and toss you to the curb, you can do the same.

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Post ID: @1djj+1e6HKqmb

You will gain knowledge, and Gulfstream will give you an opportunity to build your experience. What makes the company is the people, albeit a lot of good ones are gone. Put money aside, because layoffs are inevitable there. It’s the reason I left. Loved my job, loved my co workers but the continued threat of layoffs was too much for me. In my six years, there were five events.

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Post ID: @1dwn+1e6HKqmb

@SloopJohnB

Well I'm a recent graduate. The other concern is what if I'm laid off without enough experience to be able to go elsewhere.

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Post ID: @bqw+1e6HKqmb

Absolutely take the job if offered. Negotiate, but take the job. Ignore the haters here. Always will be. Great company, people and cool products.

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Post ID: @taa+1e6HKqmb

Golden handcuffs don’t exist here. No need. We use people until we are done with them then we cut. That’s the way it works. When you are laid off unless you leave before hand, you’ll take a huge amount of industry knowledge with you, though. The people we jettisoned in the last 2 large layoffs (Oct 2019 and May, 2020, did well. We cut too much though, and more than we expected left in the Great Resignation, so until we’re better staffed, risk of layoffs is lower than usual.

Gulfstream compensation is average or a bit below in the industry. So if you can accept lower salary than you might get in places like Melbourne, Fl, or East Aurora, NY, you can be successful for as long as we need you.

You’ll work hard here, late nights, weekends and holidays. You’ll learn a lot and a lot will be expected. There are a fair few toxic people. So do you due diligence. It’s hard to get out from under toxic management without leaving.

Eyes wide open.

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Post ID: @wso+1e6HKqmb

Take the job, but with the expectation you will be laid off in 3 to 5 years or when you are > 50, which ever is earlier. Plan accordingly. Don’t put down roots. Don’t relocate your family because you won’t be here long. Schools suck anyway. When you are laid off you will have to move, because there will be no other jobs for you in Savannah. When you are laid off, be prepared to be treated like a criminal. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. There will be many of the later.

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Post ID: @dkq+1e6HKqmb

Stay out of the aerospace industry.

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