Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Why do people hate Oracle

I don't understand all the negative sentiment on this board. Is Oracle that bad of a company to work for?

I mean, gosh, you people sound like taking a job there is like working for the devil himself.

People can't suck that that much there can they? Wouldn't that mean all of you suck for working there?

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Oracle is a dump. OP must be troll or HR.

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Post ID: @Eohp+1e8jnGd0

To the guy who worked 40 years in IT and last 8 at Oracle, you confirmed everything I ever thought.

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Post ID: @yjko+1e8jnGd0

Why you ask? Are you kidding? Here's a post with 80 upvotes on quora:

I can only speak for Oracle engineering. I was a developer in the fusion middleware area working first on the on-premise tools and then on the Oracle cloud.
My experience at Oracle was absolutely horrible. I suspect that a lot of that is because I am female, honest and an extremely competent developer.
These qualities are not appreciated in Oracle development. Let’s take each of them in turn.
Female — There were no female managers or architects in the area I was in. The management is dominated by Indian males, who are part of a culture where women are supposed to be subservient to men, and it shows. I worked for multiple managers who all did the same tricks. They sabotaged demos that I did…. giving me wrong connection phone numbers, setting me up to demo on a computer with the wrong network settings so that the screen was slow to update, telling me to prepare slides for a 2 hour session and then telling me I only had an hour and acting surprised that I had done slides, when I had been told to do them, setting me up to demo with the thug of another manager who went first, then declared that I was demoing something other than what I was told I was demoing, so that I would look unprepared.
I was sabotaged in other ways, being restricted in what I could work on, being excluded from status meetings, having information withheld, given incorrect information, etc. Everything that could possibly be thought of.
While this was not being done by everyone, it was being done by enough men that I was unable to function well and was constantly on the defensive. While there were a couple of senior managers above me who were supporting me, my immediate managers did not and they had the ability to sabotage me so that I appeared to have problems that I did not.
There were a few women I came in contact with. Some, like me, honestly trying to do work. But, one woman in marketing saw it in her best interest to sabotage me with the guys and another woman, who was very “involved” with one manager, who also set me up at one point. So, you can’t even trust the other women at the company.
I had been a very successful developer at other companies before Oracle, receiving awards for my abilities. Oracle, has serious problems, and if you are female and a developer, you should get out of the company. There is life on the outside.
Honest - The managers are largely incompetent. They are intensely insecure and the slightest hint of you doing anything they do not directly tell you to do is a horrible offense. As far as I can tell, this is true of all the managers I came in contact with. They are paranoid, weird and truly messed up dysfunctional people living inside a truly paranoid and dysfunctional world. They band together with other managers temporarily to sabotage and attack other managers or employees they want to “get”. It appears to me that they enjoy doing this and their entire world is nothing more than coming up with schemes to take someone out or make them look bad.
By the end, I came to feel that I was working inside of some organized crime ring. The sabotage is endless. One manager cultivated thugs who would do whatever he wanted them to do to whoever. I unfortunately was given to this truly evil man to do whatever he liked to me. Oracle moves developers around like they are pieces of meat, and you will have no choice who you will work with. This manager made se-ual comments to me and was demeaning. He would not assign work to me and isolated me from other people in his group. He is truly sick and perverted man.
He later then worked a scam with another manager and a woman tied to the other manager to isolate me and get me to write a new application for them, which they intended to take credit for.
There is no place for “honest” at Oracle. If you aspire to be a “thug” and you like the idea of being part of the mafia, then Oracle is a great place for you. Honest will not get you anywhere at Oracle.
Extremely Competent Developer - If you are good at development and you want to do real work and build great products that customers will use, then Oracle is not the place for you. I was a very good developer. There have been times in the past where my ability to do the job has been doubted because I am female and I was always able to work past that and gain the trust of the men around me in terms of my competence.
But competence is not appreciated at Oracle. The managers I worked with only appreciated loyalty and in general the most loyal people to the managers are not able to do good work. They suck-up to the manager to protect their jobs. They harass and attack other developers and help the manager run scams on other people in the company.
I was promoted once while there, but I believe that was through the intervention of a senior manager above me. While I was supported there, the manager directly above me was sabotaging me at every step.
I would have left earlier, but I had reasons not to, so I simply tried to show what I could do, in the same way I had done at earlier companies. But none of that worked. The management was intent on harassing me regardless of my skills.
I have seen other competent developers, not women, harassed in many of the same ways. It appears to me that the management is afraid of competent developers. They are incompetent themselves and are intensely insecure and afraid of real conversations about products and code.
One thing to realize, is that none of this was obvious at the beginning, as the managers are quite good at covering up what they are doing until you are paying close attention. They make up excuses for things that sound plausible at the time, and you want to be a good employee and get along, so you accept them, and you just go on.
For quite a while I had an application that I worked on mostly by myself, and that passed a lot of the time.
Also, my competence allowed me to endure for a long time. My first manager would give me tough things to do, and I would do them. At first I thought he was doing that because he had confidence in me, but later I realized that he was giving me more and more difficult things to try to make me fail. Then, I believe he wanted to point to the incompetent woman and say, “See, she couldn’t do this work”. But that never happened, because I did everything I was assigned.
It’s a sick place. If you hate women, will do anything your manager says, including sabotaging other people, and particularly if you really enjoy attacking other people and playing dirty tricks on them…. Oracle is the place for you.
If you want to actually do real engineering work, any other place on earth is the place for you.

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Post ID: @xack+1e8jnGd0

Terrible managers! Cegbu might possibly have the biggest mo--ns in all the land. These guys sniff a-s daily

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Post ID: @hvcb+1e8jnGd0

I spent my last 8 years after 40+ years in IT at Oracle. Worked in Sales as an engineer and was rated top sales engineer year after year and never got a raise. Management sucked and they only cared about numbers not the people. Was so happy the day I retired from this dump. I never spoke to one person working there that was happy.

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Post ID: @6uir+1e8jnGd0

Low comp/no bonuses is also the main complaint when looking at Oracle’s employee reviews on line.

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Post ID: @5ssg+1e8jnGd0

My VP openly acknowledged during an AMA that the top complaint in the recent employee survey was low compensation. And then he stated that he cannot do anything about it because it is all up to Larry (his words). Btw, same top comment on the previous surveys as well. Low compensation is one reason why I hate it here. Toxic culture is another. Lack of respect, lack of innovation, managers recruited from developers who did not want to develop anymore but are lacking managerial skills, lack of diversity, lack of advancement, lack of opportunities to work on interesting projects - and related - lack of on the job learning opportunities. I have considered quitting many times, to protect my mental well being, but decided that looking for a new job might take longer when you have another job, but at least you still have an income. That said, I have emotionally quit long ago - I don't care about the product I work on (and the wrong direction it is heading towards), I tune out jerks during zoom meetings, I approve BS MR's without asking hard questions (great team player!) and I take advantage of unlimited vacation time and virtual learning.

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Post ID: @5riq+1e8jnGd0

“ It is quite common to find employees that have been there 15-20 years, who are totally worthless, cruising along doing next to nothing. They know they will never be employable in the real world, yet bizarrely have a rather high opinion of themselves.”

As opposed to recent grads with six months experience who have a rather high opinion of themselves?

Who do think kept this broken car on the road for so many years, while others were in high school?

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Post ID: @3xic+1e8jnGd0

The post about talent in mgmt. is so true. My current manager came over from a customer and he’s not only completely useless, he’s the biggest pssy I’ve ever worked for. My last mgr was 100% incompetent but wasn’t a wimp. What’s super funny is none of the managers I’ve ever had were more experienced than me. All you gotta do to get hired in mgmt is make HR hard during the interview. Those people have zero to do.

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Post ID: @3jlc+1e8jnGd0

There are some very weak managers that have VP and senior director titles. The so-called leadership in some parts of the company are ridiculously bad, although there are still a few pockets of genuine talent that still innovate. It is quite common to find employees that have been there 15-20 years, who are totally worthless, cruising along doing next to nothing. They know they will never be employable in the real world, yet bizarrely have a rather high opinion of themselves.

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Post ID: @2tow+1e8jnGd0

Here are the reasons on why we should like working at Oracle…oh wait

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Post ID: @2wca+1e8jnGd0

If you're at Oracle and want out. Look around the tech world and actually SEE what's going on. That way you won't end up at some company like OpenText which is even LESS relevant than Oracle.

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Post ID: @2ccq+1e8jnGd0

Take the job offer bro - find out for yourself!!! ;)
Don't come back here to bi--h after questioning us, some of us spent 10+ fing sh***y years there. We KNOW wtf we're saying. But whatever, try it....how bad can it be? lol

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Post ID: @2nkw+1e8jnGd0

I have to deal with OpenText’s product issues in my job, so I can believe that. We are in an unprecedented time for employment. Although it sux to find a job, then realize it stinks and you have to start looking again, it’s better than being miserable.

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Post ID: @2dqr+1e8jnGd0

I worked in Oracle for 4 years, I was lead off on Sept.2020, I found a job with Open Text, I tell you all : you don't know what you have until it is gone.
In terms of atmosphere, rules, technology, and people Oracle is superior to Open Text.

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Post ID: @1ycm+1e8jnGd0

“ People can't suck that that much there can they? ”

No, Larry the Database Guy, not everyone. Just management of your company. People are great, trying to hold this floundering ship together despite the direction and the product.

The harder you work here, the more you care, the more they will s_ck out of you

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Post ID: @1ree+1e8jnGd0

We all have similar stories, so OP, read them. I came in via an acquisition. Now, today, years later, maybe the people who are still Managing in my GBU we’re always sc-m but the people they’ve hired and nurtured all share a common theme(s) I read here from perfect strangers…

  1. No raises or promos no matter what.
  2. No alternative ideas.
  3. Mgmt style of NO mgmt.
  4. No growth.
  5. No respect.
  6. GBU mgmt bring in buddies and friends who were already with acq.
  7. More interested in this new world of “caring” about causes but not employees.
  8. Everything written in Peyton’s depo.
  9. Marc Hurd
  10. Absolutely no identification of talent or go getters.
  11. Fallen to 289 most liked company to work at.

If you’re still reading I gave my two weeks. Oracle was the worst experience of my life. Not just professional, I mean all.

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Post ID: @1nom+1e8jnGd0

Thank you OP for your post. Tell me, is it easier to get a promotion and a raise in HR management?

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Post ID: @1ipa+1e8jnGd0

If you join via acquisition, the experience is even worse. Especially if your acquired company had an open Style culture. Our first meeting with our mgmt post acq was eye opening. We were told: do not present alternative views. Do NOT contact sr management. Do NOT offer any opinions…, do not…, absolutely never do this or that.

Very unfriendly at the least, and crippling processes designed to keep your customers at arms length at the core of all of them.

They took our product and mashed it into their stack, driving the good people away, laying off and forcing others out. No raises. No bonuses. Oh, but we can say we work for Oracle woooo woooo.

Maybe there are orgs where life is ok. Suspect those are the exceptions.

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Post ID: @1gkv+1e8jnGd0

I have worked at several mega-corporations and for several small startups. Oracle was the worst. The benefits are good. The DB is good, it’s the people that suck. I have always been respected by all my fellow workers up and down the chain of command. I was verbally abused during a conference call. My manager, his manager and my coworkers all remained silent. No one stepped up to defend me. I was shocked, when I hung up I was about to resign. I spoke with upper level managers who were on the call, they calmed me down. Told me not to take it personally. A week later I proved my original position with detailed ppt slides and numerical/ empirical proof. I was not thanked nor was an apology forthcoming.

Raises. Never came. I was always getting offers from FANG companies. I spoke to VP when I couldn’t get a raise, I request RSU grant, I got it. Golden handcuffs in escrow for 3 years. Every time I got stock I popped it, sold took the money off the table.
For those of you still there, best of luck.

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Post ID: @1ues+1e8jnGd0

Employees are treated like cr-p. Customers are treated like cr-p. Management style is a reflection of bad memes from the 80's (Value added! Performance based! ) for which we can thank the devotees of Jack Welch. There's no innovation or product development other than what they buy from smaller companies. Ask yourself: What new product do you see this company bringing to market in the next 5 years? The ONLY drivers in this company are investors.

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Post ID: @omb+1e8jnGd0

It all started going downhill with the NetSuite over-paid acquisition. There was a lot of controversy over it (you can do the research). NetSuite has so many issues and then a sloppy venture into the cloud. A lot of decisions were politically driven and was not about building value for the company.

Oracle used to be a great place to work but multiple bad decisions took their toll on the company. If you look at job openings, especially in Finance, the pay is ridiculous. Now they have inexperienced people making critical decisions. Oracle does have long term government contracts which helps them though.

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Post ID: @nuf+1e8jnGd0

Unless people give specific reasons, names and departments, consider the posts as garbage. Drama queens and posers....

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Post ID: @knk+1e8jnGd0

Because it’s just another As!an swea!shop here in America

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Post ID: @wzq+1e8jnGd0

In my 25+ year IT career - I've worked for many big name companies and Oracle is by far the worst place I have ever worked. You have to work there to understand just really how bad it is. Read up online on the various lawsuits against them and you'll get a clearer picture.

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