Thread regarding Boeing Co. layoffs

After deadly 737 Max crashes, damning whistleblower report reveals sidelined engineers, scarcity of expertise, more

https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/15/boeing_737_max_senate_report/

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The good news is that some ex Boeing engineers got to retire from Boeing earlier than they would have and get their pensions. And then do quality engineering for Airbus, COMAC and SpaceX.

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Post ID: @cpjo+1elaBDLn

Boeing knew for decades that they had an aging workforce and when they retired there would be huge skill gaps to fill.

Instead of trying to address the skill gap issue, Boeing found ways to lay their older workers off more quickly.

The move to Charleston was partly motivated by the desire to lay off most of their older workers in Washington and replaced them with an experienced new hires in South Carolina.

Most of these older workers have either been forced out or retired now. And the scale gap is even more apparent.

I don’t think even Boeing can deny the fact that the quality Work in South Carolina has not been to the level that they expected to be at at this stage. What’s even more disappointing is rewarding one sites poor quality work by giving them more.

There were customers refusing to take delivery of an airplane assembled in South Carolina and Boeing decides to have all the airplanes assembled in SC. Quality did not matter to Boeing executives.

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Post ID: @6cvt+1elaBDLn

Yup and Airbus has already and will continue to take much Boeing market too. At best, Boeing Commercial Airplanes will just become an antique airplane freighter market. Boeing Defense and Space has already become irrelevant given other defense companies and SpaceX. Surprised Boeing hasn't already entered bankruptcy to dump their pension obligations. Reckon there are still executives wanting their bonuses and golden parachutes. The greed at Boeing has always been about executive profit and NOT about corporate or shareholder profit.

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Post ID: @5vgw+1elaBDLn

COMAC is looking well poised to take much market from Boeing in not too distant future. It's hard to see a good long term future for Boeing or for the US for that matter. Short and mid term looks dismal too.

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Post ID: @4qrx+1elaBDLn

It was clear in mid 90s that Boeing had gone to the dark side when they told all their State licensed professional engineers that they could no longer have their PE designation on their Boeing badges and they created their own engineering fraternity that was solely selected by Boeing management. There is lots nepotism in Boeing management...daughters, sons and relatives of ex Boeing management and none of these people have even the basic demonstrated knowledge, experience and ethics that is required to earn a State PE license much less motivate and lead real engineers. At best, it would take decades to return Boeing to its former engineering competency and ethics. But that will never happen.

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Post ID: @3fef+1elaBDLn

Boeing continuing downward is predictable for many years based on the current business model "Shareholder values over quality". Some may argue BA is "too big to fail" because it has defense division and is the largest US exporter, however many defense products would be phased out in 7-10 years and few commerical products would not be able to compete against Airbus due to price and quality or would not meet the customer demand . Currently BA has huge load of debt and need to pay back so they have few resources to spend on R&D for new airplane development so its near future would improve but few growth prospect in long term.
If things get worse, Lockheed or Northrop Grunman may take over BA defense with the hidden US govt nod if BA decide to spin off this dvision and have the smaller commercial division with few products available to the market (737MAX, 777X, 787) but its production would be somewhere else and not in its birth place in Seattle Washington any longer.

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Post ID: @2rrf+1elaBDLn

Boeing's top tier management scսm look what they’ve done

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