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Will the 301 investigation finally be over? It would be a great way to start the new year!

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Reimburse and problem’s over? Wow. That’s some wishful thinking. Not how it works when crimes are committed. 301 and LH ignored JC when he asked for help? Apparently he wanted to show what proof he had and was ignored. Fcking stupid. All of them deserve everything that’s coming their way. RM took it to the NYS Court by suing a fellow Union member? He is to blame for his own demise as well as the demise of everyone else that goes down. Union business is handled internally like JC tried. The fool that put RM there is going down. Possibly the one before him. Those who’ve been interviewed by dol know how much those investigators know. EVERYTHING. They know everything. And after reading these comments it makes sense. FCK RM. They can all get what they deserve. They destroyed 301.

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Post ID: @fnkc+1ey9qs6x

Been done work her long time. Union been good by me. Food on table, job, what more you want? Be lucky for what you have. You ask to much they do what they can. GE ok too, treat good enough, we don't try to work with them what you think they do?

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Post ID: @epss+1ey9qs6x

The contract was not being followed on purpose. The company was paying full time salaries for union reps while knowing that they were working off property. Yet, the company was coding it as if they were working on property. That is illegal. That is called paying off a union and that is just the tip of the iceberg. The company and union decided to follow the contract in December 2019 but only after corporate GE was alerted to how full time reps were being paid. Then, between November 2019 and March 2020 many people from both sides were taken out of their positions and placed in new positions. Coincidence? Not a chance. However, too little, too late. There’s no covering up or hiding years of this. Let the investigators do their thing, it will be worth it for all of us.

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Post ID: @cqvh+1ey9qs6x

He-l ya a.s time paid buy the company to sit at the hall? The contract says that’s the agreement for 40 hours? We all need to join your union up north. 301 has it made. We have to pay all of our reps from union dues. Where did we go wrong?

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Post ID: @blho+1ey9qs6x

I will agree with that. The company shouldn’t pay for union reps. to be off the property. Can all the union members get paid to be off the property and do their own thing?

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Post ID: @bzeo+1ey9qs6x

Your contract says the company pays union time on company property to deal with grievances and if the company and the union call a meeting together.

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Post ID: @bcka+1ey9qs6x

The company paid off the onion. Look at our contracts..

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Post ID: @brpu+1ey9qs6x

The company was paying 100 percent of all of the full time union reps salaries and coding it as union time company paid (as if reps were doing work on company property, the company was not coding it accurately for a reason). This went on for years. It’s illegal according to federal laws, specifically the LMRDA. The union and the company are supposed to share the cost of salaries with the union paying an additional stipend. The company paying the full salaries was the company paying the union off. Essentially, there was no union fighting for the members. There was a union pretending to fight for the members while benefiting personally. Members as a whole did not benefit. This is a very big problem with the government because it effects so much including taxes. It effects customers as well.

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Post ID: @byzl+1ey9qs6x

@6kfc+1ey9qs6x, I make no bones about it, I'm a pro management guy and oh yes they build non-union facilities all the time over the decades. Why not it's win-win for them either the unions moderates their demands somewhat knowing work can be moved or, work is moved, period. In the case of Schenectady, what will never happen 100% because EPA and NY DEC rules on environmental cleaner up are much more lenient of a plant that is running versus one that is closing. Closing Schenectady, never, downsizing, absolutely.

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Post ID: @7odl+1ey9qs6x

@6wvq+1ey9qs6x, GE has a history of doing this. Project HUGO closed union facilities in Texas and moved them to South Carolina. Project WARM is currently planning to close a union plant in the Northeast. Announcement soon.

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Post ID: @6kfc+1ey9qs6x

GE currently has a confidential project to systematically move plants away from union dominated areas. The project has a code name. One leader recently mentioned the code name by accident. You can watch his colleagues give him the stink eye.

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Post ID: @6oms+1ey9qs6x

Head count is down the only reason Schenectady hasn’t had more cuts is because of the back door deal. The CA agreement! That only saved jobs for a little while and also makes the layoffs that much easier when they do come. No more families to bump threw, no more crazy games on layoffs. The numbers will be reduced this year before spring. I can see Schenectady running at about 275-400 union members very soon. So long to all these unskilled union members. Let the skilled workers save GE AGAIN!

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Post ID: @5wjq+1ey9qs6x

@5pmw+1ey9qs6x I wasn't making a point, it's an observation in regards to the said website that is full of all sorts of information. The accuracy of the information is only as good as what's being reported. Take it as a side note if anything. As for anybody else reading this, I encourage you to check that site out and search around.

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Post ID: @5fqh+1ey9qs6x

@5gcf+1ey9qs6x, On Stipends, I'll cite the portion (Article 7, Section 3) of the CBA that allows for Union Officials to be paid by GE while conducting Union business. Can you be kind enough to cite the exact Article and Section of either the Local 301 bylaws or Local Agreement that calls for these supposed stipends?

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Post ID: @5szd+1ey9qs6x

@5yup+1ey9qs6x, you ignore my point, which is what is your point. If demand is down, and it is big time, so too should be headcount

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Post ID: @5pmw+1ey9qs6x

@5dvk+1ey9qs6x I was referring to this website
https://olmsapps.dol.gov/olpdr/?_ga=2.166556346.549800195.1641252097-1378761037.1641252097#Union%20Reports/Union%20Search/
that was mentioned down below. Search around and you'll see what I was talking about. Now that I looked around again, I might have been wrong and the reported member number might be 777.

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Post ID: @5yup+1ey9qs6x

Don't understand the headcount post, if demand is down, and it is for turbines more than 60% over the past decade per GE SEC reporting , why wouldn't headcount (is 45% even enough) be down as well?

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Post ID: @5dvk+1ey9qs6x

If I'm understanding the website correctly, there were only 950 members for Schenectady Local 301 as of December 20, 2021. That's the lowest they show on record in almost the past 10 years at around a 45% decline since May 25, 2018. Not good, not good at all.

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Post ID: @5pqa+1ey9qs6x

So what! If their guilty throw them out or prosecute past offenders but CA will live on,

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Post ID: @5ixx+1ey9qs6x
  • If they can’t double Dip I agree thats illegal. But you ignore that there is such a thing Union business/company paid. Do you need to be told what Article and Section it’s in. For example If I were the plant or hr manager I could pull the prez and BA off floor for a month to negotiate a COVID-19 policy and pay them.
    What you fail to realize or know is, this isnt the case in Schenectady NY. In fact, it was at a meeting when the company letter was read on how they were not paying loss time anymore. Part of the reason used to raise dues to pay our officers. Yet what was left out was the part on how they would still get their 28 rate pay. So its not as simple as it would seem, and Im not sure if your not from 301 or your just part of the problem trying to defend it, regardless, the truth is there for anyone willing to see it.
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Post ID: @5bey+1ey9qs6x

If they can’t double Dip I agree thats illegal. But you ignore that there is such a thing Union business/company paid. Do you need to be told what Article and Section it’s in. For example If I were the plant or hr manager I could pull the prez and BA off floor for a month to negotiate a COVID-19 policy and pay them.

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Post ID: @5uro+1ey9qs6x

@5ioo+1ey9qs6x
I can answer that. The P and BA get 28 rate, that's 41.79 an hr. Take that x's 40 hrs, you get, 86,923.00 a yr. See our guys get paid 40 hrs of that rate, then they get what's called a stipend from our local. It, the stipend, has changed over the years, as seen in the federal fillings. So that's how they end up with so much. Ask the Feds if they can collect a hourly salary from the company and get paid by the local? Thats why there is trouble coming, as several people have been trying to tell people. Oh well, glad I could help contribute to the education of many that had no idea before now.

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Post ID: @5gcf+1ey9qs6x

How do know their GE gross? Union time would be replacement for hours missed conducting Union business on company time.

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Post ID: @5ioo+1ey9qs6x

@5bvz+1ey9qs6x
WOW!!! Thanks for the link. Its amazing how much money is going out the door now, but when ya go back a few yrs, holy cr-p! 62,000 for the President, 42,000 for the BA? WTF was going on back then? Other than having the correct guy making more money, they where still robbing us blind. Guess that's why the audit went back so far, it makes much more sense than the rumor mill now. That may be 2014, but cr-p what a joke! Yet us working stiffs beg for better benefits and pay, while these goombah slugs sit back and do nothing but make that much coin.

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Post ID: @5ibn+1ey9qs6x

I've done some digging cause i was really curious how much our union folks are really making. Here is the number posted online. BA gets $30,422 in last fiscal yr for his union position, on top of 86,923.20 gross from GE, Aprox-117,345.00. President gets $26,126 in last fiscal year for his union job, on top of his 86,923.20 gross from GE, aprox-113,049.00. VP/Chief Shop Steward got $46,097.00 from the hall, No clue what hourly pay rate he is at now. So the other poster was a tad off from 150,000.00, but damn, what the he-l are we getting for a quarter of a million dollars a year? Every year the union must submit a report called a LM2, its posted online per law. So anyone can go see who get what and why its claimed as such. Much more fiscal data as well listed on this report. Like how much did sweatshirts cost, how much did covid tshirts cost, how much to move, as a cple examples. So when your board or wanna know the truth go to, https://olmsapps.dol.gov/olpdr/?_ga=2.166556346.549800195.1641252097-1378761037.1641252097#Union%20Reports/Union%20Search/
You can see the factual number for yourself, every single year. So just like the subject of this thread, yes, there is a lot more info out there that doesnt match what the hall says, but surely backs up a few people who have been trying to get the truth out.
Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post ID: @5bvz+1ey9qs6x

@4lac+1ey9qs6x, What do expect them to do, protect jobs when orders are down, that's BS of the highest order. Reverse the CA and have more folks around doing the same amount of work resulting in higher per unit cost? Be real. If you like the union and not it's leadership elect new leaders. If you don't like union decertify it!

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Post ID: @4fff+1ey9qs6x

Whatever they make. They are overpaid. What has the local really done for us? Think about the last 3 to 4 years.

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Post ID: @4lac+1ey9qs6x

I agree with last poster, put up or shut up, initials only what local union official made $ 150,000 and post your proof!

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Post ID: @4mya+1ey9qs6x

@4srx+1ey9qs6x, If you believe a Local 301 union official made $ 150,000 post it (redacting the name of course and adjusting for reimbursed T&E). The Conference Board Chairman (a good man BTW) doesn't make near that much. You still miss my point on grievances, the Int'l per their by-laws can ki-l (or move forward) any grievance they want at their discretion. What confuses you about that statement.

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Post ID: @4jbw+1ey9qs6x

@4obk+1ey9qs6x
You prove my point. You clearly have zero idea what the "union officials" are doing each and every day. The actual job descriptions of the President and the VP, the other elected officers down to the BA, are hardly known by many. The actual jobs performed are rarely done by the appropriate officials, mainly because they really dont know who's job is who's. Grievances shouldnt be decided on because of who they are for. The have to get past 2nd step before talking about arbitration, maybe someone should show you the actual process per contract and constitution. They would need to be written and followed thru 2nd step, to be brought up at a executive board meeting, to be discussed about, to move to 3rd step. Again, its the locals fault that so very many have no clue how things are supposed to be, they fail to educate the membership as they should. Union Business in the contract does not mean they get paid 40 hrs from the company, and collect almost the same from the local. The President and BA should not be making $150,000.00 + a year in a local that has less than 800 members. They sure as he-l shouldnt be making that in Schenectady NY. If one could read a legit financial report they would see the amount that is spent monthly. Nothing has been done in the last 20 yrs that would be cause for anyone to take as much money that has been made off the working folks backs. Thats not even talking about all the embezzling thats been going on. You may not know, there are federal laws and state laws that can govern how a organization runs per its constitution/by laws. Local 301 has done so much wrong since RM was in charge, and little has been done to fix. So that alone is a rack of charges that just multiplies by the instance and the year. I wish the original post was answered and this post could be all about what fools so many have been, dragging along behind SF and CD and others. That day will come, and in the mean time we will have to continue to listen to the BS from so very many that think crime pays for ever, but when the time does come, it will pay, in jail time and huge fines.

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Post ID: @4srx+1ey9qs6x

@3qxe+1ey9qs6x, job code elimination reversal ? No way will that happen. The members are responsible for electing union officials and monitoring performance. The Consolidation Agreement, from which the job code elimination, was born, was properly passed. The NLRB has no power to unwind it. Zero power. Grievances, the IUE by-laws allow Int'l Reps to fight on to arbitration or drop any damned grievance they want! The Contract calls for union business/company paid, you know that right? If the Plant Manager wants negotiate with Business Agent all day long, that's perfectly legal. If the fruit of those talks was the Consolidation Agreement, they were highly successful in my opinion.

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Post ID: @4obk+1ey9qs6x

@3wqh+1ey9qs6x
Job code elimination. Grievance filling and fighting. Seniority list maintains and following said list correctly. Illegally taking pay from the company and the local union at the same time.
Do I really need to spell out the facts? If anyone has actually paid attention to the organization they belong to as well as the company they work for, there is NO way these things and much more have not been seen.
As far as calling someone else? The local officials are elected by the membership. Most of said membership has zero clue what goes on day to day let alone who does what and for why. We dont follow our own constitution, which most have never read, so that leads to the incompetent actions of not just the elected, but the dues paying members as a whole.
A movie could be written and played on the big screen and it would make a boat load of money, because most will not believe how bad it really has been for the last 25 yrs, let alone today as we speak.

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Post ID: @3qxe+1ey9qs6x

Have the 301 members thought of calling on old Silicones brother Don Pattyannie to help them in their quest? Didn't he take his workforce out on strike a few years ago.

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Post ID: @3uhn+1ey9qs6x

@3bfq+1ey9qs6x, other than the alleged embezzling, what decisions of the local union officials, the national union and GE do you take offense with? Be specific

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Post ID: @3wqh+1ey9qs6x

?- What do expect the Feds to do? I say support the Consolidation Agreement and how votes go down as to the Conference Board

Well simply put. Arrest and see convicted every local 301 member involved in embezzling hundreds of thousands of the memberships hard earned money. Arrest and see convicted all GE officials in Schenectady today and prior, that where and are in bed with said union members and officers. Arrest and see convicted the National Union officials that have been involved and tried to cover it all up for years. Bring a group in to clear out the entire executive board of local 301 and over see an election of members that actually want to do the peoples work and follow the Constitution of the local 301, and the law. GE may be a sh-t company, but that doesn't mean the union has to be as sh-t as well.
So, you asked, I just one person, have told you what many have said and many believe. Its a sad situation, and even worse that so many believe this is all a hoax and nothing has ever been done wrong.

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