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How did you get the promotion?

I still haven’t figured out what are the specific criteria that employees are supposed to satisfy in order to be promoted. I tried to work as much as possible, I tried to be more visible, I tried to let the manager know that I'm looking to get promoted. None of this brought me the promotion.

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People have the perception that managers are selfish professionals. This is generally not the case. A good manager cares about people and puts extra effort and time into seeing them succeed.

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Post ID: @gzrw+1gLQFum6

All you people that want to be managers and above need to really think long and hard to make that your career move. In my position I have to manage people and still do a job of one or two reports. Not all management jobs at Oxy are just managing people, and many continue to do their former workload, and take on the managing of people as well. Once you finish your regular 40 plus hours a week as a contributor then you can do the other 20 plus hours a week managing people. Sometimes it comes down to just being a glorified admin just managing vacations, etc. You can make just as much money on the technical side with far less headaches. Be careful what you wish for is the old saying that comes to mind.

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Post ID: @fyia+1gLQFum6

Getting high on the technical ladder is also a good way to advance in the company if you are technical. For example in GOM facilities you can be a fellow by second guessing everyones work and loving the sound of you own voice that it makes meetings last twice as long as they're supposed to. And you'll have taken ten years to get a degree.

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Post ID: @ffcq+1gLQFum6

I walked into my boss Bills office and smiled at him and said, “Hi, I’m Monica”. I’ve been promoted 2 years in a row.

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Post ID: @9dbw+1gLQFum6

If you're into getting to VP and above level it helps if you are a pathological narcissist with a loyal group of flying monkeys to report back on the bad apples in the department.

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Post ID: @6ncw+1gLQFum6

At Oxy, competence or time in grade doesn't matter. It's all who you know, not uncommon, but even more true at Oxy. Look at all the team leads, managers, VPs, and of course VH, not one is remotely a leader or even technically competent, but all are self-involved yes men and women.

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Post ID: @6dxt+1gLQFum6

It is frustrating when their is no roadmap to get to your next promotion. Your supervisor could be working with you on this roadmap. Your responsibility is to start the process off by making a roadmap yourself and seeing how management can support you. Your functional manager can also assist.

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Post ID: @5rio+1gLQFum6

Delaying promotions??... Almost everyone I am still in contact with (LAPC) was promoted this year. These are folks on the engineering and G&G side. Seems almost too easy to move forward at OXY. Perhaps filling vacancies left by COC and retiring staff.

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Post ID: @5kjo+1gLQFum6

None of the advice given below has worked for me either. All the organizational changes in management and revolving door in HR and every where else will never end. Im sure its a strategy to continue delaying promotions and it's very depressing that kind of manipulation is being done.

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Post ID: @5vhq+1gLQFum6

Start with solid technical competence. Visibility across other departments and teams is critical . You need support from more than your boss and immediate management to be promoted. It also includes the dark arts of HR at times. Many times it takes a internal supporter that will represent you at a promotion board. Network and be seen. Be the person management thinks of when opportunities arise.

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Post ID: @4upa+1gLQFum6

Be a glorified finance person (reservoir engineer).

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Post ID: @4kcm+1gLQFum6

It is a dynamic world out there and the expectations really do change. One problem is that every time your bosses boss changes it is like starting all over again. The new boss may hear great things about you but they likely want to see your performance for at least a year before approving the promotion. So if the organization above you keeps churning you will not get anywhere.

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Post ID: @4xcy+1gLQFum6

Same here and I've done all of what has been recommended here already. I have time in grade. Was told Im at the very top in ratings for several years in a row but none of it has worked. I feel like I've been lied to in prior years of what was expected and abused along the way because they keep changing what they want.

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Post ID: @4bap+1gLQFum6

Time in grade only matters for very early career employees. When they meet the performance criteria for their current grade they can be promoted. Their job responsibilities typically do not change much in the first few technical levels anyway.

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Post ID: @3xbq+1gLQFum6

No, time in grade doesn’t matter. Demonstrated skills, competencies, and behaviors are what matter for promotions.

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Post ID: @3rbh+1gLQFum6

One thing to keep in mind, promotions are not for doing your job better. They are for doing more difficult/important jobs. Instead of asking for a promotion, see if you can get a lateral move. This will expose you to other responsibilities and show your manager you are willing to learn.

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Post ID: @1oux+1gLQFum6

You'll never figure it out, that's how it's structured. When your worth is decided by other people with their own bias and feelings about your performance you'll just have to rely on luck as much as anything else. The HR PR system is a sick joke played on you the employee.
The quickest way to get a promotion and a good pay raise is to find another job and then quit. Rinse and repeat.

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Post ID: @1lol+1gLQFum6

If you ask for the promotion now you can expect it in two years if you do everything right and are visible. Please be patient. They cannot promote everyone and most supervisors try to promote a certain percentage each year. Make sure you are visible at the executive level. That really helps.

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Post ID: @imf+1gLQFum6

Meet with your manager and HR, and ask them to explain what the expectations are for the next grade level. Expectations will likely be around the skills and behaviors required for the next grade level. You could be working very hard and doing great work, but if you aren’t demonstrating the next level skills and behaviors you probably won’t be promoted to the next level. Understanding what is expected will help you and your manager to focus your development on the right areas. Sometimes it also comes down to whether or not they need someone with the next level skills. Sometimes they just need a competent person to get certain work done and they don’t need a technical expert (or to promote someone to a higher technical level) to do the same level of work. In that case, there are other departments in that might need the higher technical level that you are developing.

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