Thread regarding General Electric Co. layoffs

A "Real Union"

What does that mean? I'm yet to hear one example from an anti-slater as an example of an agreement made between the union and Company that favored the Company. In today's world it's union give me a concession and the Company will retain jobs for awhile.
Reminds me, on the CA, if the Company did it correctly, job preservation language, they only keep the jobs for a year. once again missing BS and RM.

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Unions do matter, but they lack the leverage of years before

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Post ID: @2mtf+1h8MFH31

So basically no need for a union? The union has to let the company do what they want.

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Post ID: @2dxc+1h8MFH31

@2psp+1h8MFH31, oh yes the vote matters. why, cuz the union members have in the past proven that they can and will vote against the recommendations of local union leaders and the int'l. i think the anti-slater group is nasty and dishonest to it's core in that they don't like some of the decisions and agreements made in recent years. they realize that the Int'l and NLRB won't help (the transactions were legal in their minds) and so they cook up this RICO BS. They either won't win at all, or maybe a few folks get indicted...BUT know that will change/undue any of the deals previously reached. New leadership, means nothing different deal like. GE has all the leverage and union none. walk off the job/strike and that place will close or simply be reduced to a rebuild and bar shop.

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Post ID: @2cxn+1h8MFH31

"Gary...", the anger that members have at the union is misdirected. The world has changed. Go back 30 years and GE Schenectady was the king of the generator market. A virtual monopoly, shipping around the world, charging want they and not worrying about labor cost (count, wage rates, pension plan, etc.). Along comes globalization. China, Asia, Europe, Arab countries all want their generators made there. Their lower cost structure puts pressure on US cost structure. GE responds with LEAN, ki----g the pension plan, charging more for benefits, all to survive. The union/GE dynamics have changed not as a matter of poor or corrupt union leadership but globalization. The leverage the union had 30 years ago is gone. Many think the answer is to demand all GE generators be built in the US. Try that, with China, India, et al and they'll ban imports from the US including GE's highly profitable imagining machines and jet engines. Embrace the current reality the union today has either a) no leverage or b) leverage, like a strike, that if they played it once, would result in a plant closure.

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Post ID: @2mhw+1h8MFH31

The ideal “Real Union” - starts with a membership that expects and demands that nominated & elected officials are people who actually give a damn about their Co-Workers. A membership that demands elected officials actually do the job / position requirements with best interests in the members & demands these Jobs are to be done with out hesitation or fear of “ upsetting the company”. The membership must demand to see/hold copies of contract, agreements, and by laws , and job descriptions/expectations of each elected “Union Officials. Members who challenge and push Stewards,Board Members to seek answers, and demand that the company & Hall are held to all of this .

Elected officials are to be working for the Membership, and the membership alone - if this can’t done- impeach and demand that these positions be immediately vacated and weak , selfish, corrupted officials face charges.

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Post ID: @2bxb+1h8MFH31

O come on. You actually think bribery was involved in the CA? The local and the international wouldn’t take bribes. Blahhhhhhh!!!!!!

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Post ID: @2ptz+1h8MFH31

Not sure I was kissing my employment either way. I didn’t want to vote on me getting getting my lack of work. Didn’t make sense.

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Post ID: @2mtd+1h8MFH31

Does a vote matter if Rico was in the mix?

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Post ID: @2psp+1h8MFH31

Whenever company’s have other options on where to produce, they can out leverage the union with ease, not you daddy’s GE anymore with globalization.

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Post ID: @1wgv+1h8MFH31

Slate : group of current and previous union officers that have always looked out for the best interest of their members.

Anti-slaters: members that hold to a conspiracy theory that GE is paying off directly or indirectly union officers through favorable treatment of company paid/union business, resulting in sweetheart deals for the company. Claim there is a BIG Fed investigation, 3 years in duration so far looking into the matter. Claims of dr-gs, wh--es, sleeping with HR, embezzlement, kick backs, etc.

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Post ID: @1aar+1h8MFH31

Plain and simple. The line has been crossed. Sad very sad.

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Post ID: @1tqr+1h8MFH31

We don’t hate the union. The current slate is wait to far u see the sheets with the company. Sickening. Clearly noticeable by the newest members on the floor. Sad times for what was such a strong union.

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Post ID: @1gau+1h8MFH31

@1sqh+1h8MFH31, we are cool, just upset with this anti-slater bunch that believes Fed findings will change the dynamics of the GE/Union relations. it won't, in fact it will hasten GE to shut the plant down earlier, all things anti-slater should be rejected as I believe (speaking for me only), they hate their union and GE both.

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Post ID: @1foy+1h8MFH31

Relax, don’t get so defensive. Just a member asking some questions?

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Post ID: @1sqh+1h8MFH31

@1cjg+1h8MFH31, your naivete is astonishing. the membership elects officers. the company interacts with them. if GE shows a plant consolidation to them under an NDA. they then would use their best judgment to recommend action to the membership. None of the details of the NDA would be discussed, just their assessment of to risk plant closure or major layoff vs agreeing to a smaller layoff and short term job retention. I'm telling with 100% accuracy this is how it's done. You don't make laws, your congressmen do and you vote on them every couple of years. Your union officers are your congressmen

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Post ID: @1zco+1h8MFH31

Was the union given a formal plant closing notification or we they just threaten? Not sure if the membership was informed?

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Post ID: @1cjg+1h8MFH31

@1xuv+1h8MFH31, yes the agreement facilitated the layoff but guaranteed to additional layoffs for a fixed period of time
@1udr+1h8MFH31, job elimination was badly needed "a-s time" was entitlement up until then.
@1iwk+1h8MFH31, National Agreement allows for deals to me made at a local level, if GE is threatened larger layoffs than the deal cut if it's made, the Int'l would endorse the deal
@1sqo+1h8MFH31, reduce jobs but stay open vs close down the site, that a GOOD DEAL

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Post ID: @1kwj+1h8MFH31

The sacrifice of union jobs to be competitive? Seems like a bad position for the rank and file.

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Post ID: @1sqo+1h8MFH31

OMG. Was the National Union aware of this? Seems like they wouldn’t have agreed with the local.

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Post ID: @1iwk+1h8MFH31

That makes sense Eliminating job codes. Less employees needed.

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Post ID: @1udr+1h8MFH31

Agreement signed following the onion make it possible for the company to start 1 of 2 round of layoffs?Seems like a layoff was negotiated?

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