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Anyone know if HR is working on a supplement to women's reproductive medical care benefits and associated travel costs due to the Supreme Court decision today? I don’t see how any company can ignore this. Companies don’t have to take sides but have to consider benefits because If they do not they can look forward to recruiting and retention problems.

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Post ID: @OP+1ho5SPvz

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I prefer legislators that understand that experts 1) can and do make mistakes, 2) offer advice that involves only one small piece of the picture, and 3) like the AMA, are not exempt from providing political opinions. After all, and here is the main point, not all issues about life are about medicine. I don’t need a doctor to tell me if my elderly parents’ lives have value or if my disabled infant is a person. And if my representative is presented with expert medical advice that they are not, and that the hardship that they cause outweighs their value, I hope he/she not only ignores it, but fights back against it.

Finally, with regard to experts, should we defer to the experts at Glock and the NRA when discussing future g@n control legislation?

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Post ID: @cusm+1ho5SPvz

Sure, legislators aren't virologists. Throughout the pandemic, some people preferred for their legislators to tell virologists how to do their jobs so that their day-to-day life wouldn't change - with little concern for the health of others and at-risk populations. Others preferred for their legislators to make policies in consultation with virologists, hence the masking, social distancing, and vaccine recommendations. 2 different strategies.

Given the negative response of major medical associations to the recent women's healthcare restrictions in Texas and other states, it appears that these recent policies were not written in close consultation the medical establishment.

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Post ID: @bkrr+1ho5SPvz

They’re also not weaponoligists. ( yes, it’s a real word).

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Post ID: @9wwn+1ho5SPvz

Legislators are also not climatologists.

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Post ID: @9anx+1ho5SPvz

If it is $$ you are worried about, know that it is far more expensive to fund parental leave and company benefits for children than to have an abortion, particularly if it is in the first 10 weeks and only involves taking a few pills.

There are many who would prefer that legislators, who do not practice medicine and in most cases do not have a medical degree, were not in the business of telling doctors how to do their jobs. Or telling doctors what options they are allowed to offer patients in future medical cases that they know nothing about.

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Post ID: @8xst+1ho5SPvz

Hopefully this issue will never be minimized. It is far too important for our freedom.

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Post ID: @7giq+1ho5SPvz

Our society is so in the now as far as being swamped with the ever changing news flavors of the day. This, like so many other things will be old news in a month. It is just the nature of our society these days when everyone is plugged in 24/7.

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Post ID: @7lec+1ho5SPvz

You guys need to coordinate your responses. Will the oil companies definitely have to take action or definitely not take any action.

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Post ID: @7ekx+1ho5SPvz

"What is not right is when the view of the minority of the people is reflected in federal policy..." The question is not binary, but do you support abortion on demand up to 40 weeks, or do you support limitations on abortion. Please review the polling data on support for support for abortion restrictions and then come back and post.

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Post ID: @3tcw+1ho5SPvz

But Oxy is self insured like most large companies and just use insurance companies to manage the billing, etc. So for any medical procedure all of us pay the price with our premiums and then the company portion which is much more than our premiums. So many states are still performing the procedure and this is just a state to state talking point. Nothing has changed in New York, Colorado or Califronia to name a view. What is nice about that is we can all live in states that suite or personal beliefs. In the past did our insurance even pay for the procedure?

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Post ID: @3ovp+1ho5SPvz

Insurance companies may influence much of the policy even in states were the procedure is legal.

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Post ID: @3kpc+1ho5SPvz

That is correct, but when you get into the details, that support drops below 35-40% when you ask about the procedure after 15 weeks or the 1st trimester. So there are not just just two extreme positions. The issue is what will companies do? The answer is the responses will be all over the board, just like public opinion, and depends on what the question is.

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Post ID: @2knj+1ho5SPvz

The surveys that I have heard about range from between 60 to 80 percent of US citizens favor pro-choice.

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Post ID: @2izj+1ho5SPvz

The US has been a country with differing viewpoints ever since its beginning. The current issues don’t change that and the different views are expected. What is not right is when the view of the minority of the people is reflected in federal policy and this view is damaging to both public health and the economic well being of the poorest members of society.

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Post ID: @2wrl+1ho5SPvz

@1qvh+1ho5SPvz, here’s the more likely scenario. Companies will do what they want to do. Some will go the direction you want them to go, others will go the direction others want them to. Most companies will not want to “go up against” the extreme right just like they don’t want to upset the extreme left. Some companies and some people will define the “right thing” one way, while others define it another way. Ultimately, everyone will have to learn to live in a country where everyone else doesn’t do or think the way you want them to. Some believe that is the end of democracy while others believe that is the very definition of democracy. Imagine that.

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Post ID: @2xcq+1ho5SPvz

Two things you can count on.

  1. When someone says something is not a political issue, it’s definitely a political issue.
  1. When someone on this site predicts something will happen, the exact opposite will happen.
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Post ID: @1qdb+1ho5SPvz

Some oil companies will take the lead on this issue and the rest will follow. The problem with some companies is that they don’t support your rights through their policies. Oxy is better than that and will rise to the occasion to go up against the extreme right. It is really not a political issue at all but one of doing the best thing for the women and men of this country.

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Post ID: @1qvh+1ho5SPvz

To the people saying they are going to quit, all I can say is don’t let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

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Post ID: @1ylx+1ho5SPvz

@1ziy+1ho5SPvz I agree. This is just a place people vent. If they leave it will not hurt because there are good people lined up waiting to work for Oxy, and that is both young and old. We just hired two that were super happy to get an offer and signed it in minutes. Once you look at the salary, bonus, and benefits they jumped all over the offer, and both have a lot of exeprience in what they do. Actually, if someone quites because of this, WFH demands, etc. then Oxy will be better off.

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Post ID: @1asp+1ho5SPvz

This is the 125th post predicting recruiting and retention problems that never happen. You would think by this time Oxy would have no employees left.

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Post ID: @1ziy+1ho5SPvz

Corporate america is taking this SCOTUS decision very seriously. It is a difficult issue because it could involve multiple states and people with a variety of views. The employee welfare should be at the heart of the matter and not the politicians.

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Post ID: @olo+1ho5SPvz

Does anyone think any employee cannot afford the travel and hotel costs? If an employee can pay for a vacation several states away then I do expect they can pay for their travel and hotel costs for a personal medical procedure. If they can’t then there are other avenues for quick money, such as parents, friends, go fund me, a bank loan, sell some furniture, etc.

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Post ID: @njn+1ho5SPvz

This law will be challenged and will work its way retouch the courts. There is only one choice for all of us. Move the company to a moderate state that is pro business.

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Post ID: @ayo+1ho5SPvz

Providing that "benefit" would open up Oxy to lawsuits under Texas's SB8 for facilitating an abortion.

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Post ID: @gpj+1ho5SPvz

Do you think all employees can afford to travel multiple states away and pay for several nights at a hotel? I like how Apple policy is. It apparently applies to any medical procedure not available in your state. So if for some reason they outlaw vasectomies you can travel to another state.

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Post ID: @syf+1ho5SPvz

Oxy needs to do something. Or we will quit!!!!

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Post ID: @vnz+1ho5SPvz

Doubt that. This is directly related to the workforce leaving companies that are not doing the responsible thing. Get it. Oh, you must be male.

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Post ID: @duh+1ho5SPvz

Is this really the forum for your politcal narrative. Instead of posting on a Layoff Web Site send HR, your manager, and the leadership an email and inquire what they will do. Just keep in mind not everyone that works for our comapny are pro-abortion, so maybe Oxy needs to keep that in mind as well. I could care less, but I also don't think a company or govt should fund thinsg like this. If they do they might need to fund things for the other side you may not like. How about school tuition for those that want to send their kids to private and religous schools. Are you for that? This post will be off this site in a couple of hours if I had to guess.

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