Thread regarding Lumen Technologies layoffs

Local fiber to be spun off away from copper.

That's the plan. Big push to get it built out quickly, then isolate the copper business so it can die. Take a look around, massive stockpiles of fiber rolling in, hiring of managers to oversee buildout. Next will be adding bodies to maintain the backbone while contractors install it.

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It's a big leap to think selling off the ilec also sells off the union contract.

It doesn’t sell off the contract but the buyer knows what the contract costs for the next few years. They don’t need to worry about contract negotiations off the bat.

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Post ID: @bpkj+1hyNZHdl

Curious to know how a company can force someone to quit and rehire? I think I would just say no, I won’t quit. Seriously, some people say rediculous sh-t here.

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Post ID: @bgvz+1hyNZHdl

It's a big leap to think selling off the ilec also sells off the union contract. The same job title does copper, ctl fiber and lumen quantum fiber. The two latter names use the exact same fiber infrastructure. Cute rebranding by lumen. Think Comcast, Xfinity, X1. Only difference? DHCP vs ppoe. Same guy installs that quantum today and installs a pots line tomorrow, and CTL gpon the next day. That job title is a binding agreement for the next 3 years. The notion the company could force someone to quit and rehire under a different title for less pay while a contract is in place is mo--nic. If the company really wanted to do that they would have gone into contract talks wanting to eliminate a job title and move everyone to a lesser paying title.

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Post ID: @bkev+1hyNZHdl

If that’s the case why would Lumen rush to ratify a new contract 1 year early locking in a net tech job title for the next 3 years?

So when they sell off the rest of the ILEC business they don’t need to deal with the union contract piece.

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Post ID: @anel+1hyNZHdl

“If C uses physical separation on the copper side of the business and creates a stand alone entity, They will hire new fiber techs at half your pay and only allow copper techs to move into the new jobs by quitting and reapplying for the new positions at the new pay scale.”

If that’s the case why would Lumen rush to ratify a new contract 1 year early locking in a net tech job title for the next 3 years?

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Post ID: @afee+1hyNZHdl

If C uses physical separation on the copper side of the business and creates a stand alone entity, They will hire new fiber techs at half your pay and only allow copper techs to move into the new jobs by quitting and reapplying for the new positions at the new pay scale.

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Post ID: @9ujd+1hyNZHdl

Why does Brightspeed want the copper? Nothing good there!

Built in revenue, if you still have a POTS line in 2022 you probably will keep it. DSL is also the only option in some places and if they do replace it with FTTH more power to them. That is something that QWEST/CENTURYLINK/L3 was not going to in the majority of the markets they have, they are cherry picking high ROI locations only.

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Post ID: @6yhp+1hyNZHdl

Brightspeed doesn't want the copper. They want the local network. Their business model is to announce big FTTH/FTTB plans, do some of it, and turn around and sell it to the next su---r.

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Post ID: @4pzp+1hyNZHdl

Why does Brightspeed want the copper? Nothing good there!

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Post ID: @4ilz+1hyNZHdl

Lumen can finally compete with others.
Copper should have died decade ago.

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Post ID: @3xde+1hyNZHdl

Yep. Brightspeed is coming for the rest of the local network. Just like L3 did with those states, the customers they want to keep will be rolled onto the clec network. It's exactly happened here last year.

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Post ID: @2ryj+1hyNZHdl

Copper is being sold off not left to die. See Brightspeed in the states Lumen just sold, and whoever buys the “local” network in the states that are left.

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Post ID: @1pzk+1hyNZHdl

"isolate the copper business so it can die."

Was that ever in doubt? And are people really just now figuring this out?

Seems to me the ultimate goal has always been to get back to the Level 3 business model, but with a much larger network.

Also, I agree that copper will be around for quite a while still. No point in cutting off that revenue steam until it becomes an expense.

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Post ID: @1kdr+1hyNZHdl

Lumen can't seem to do anything right. It's pretty ambitious to think the end is near for copper none of the new supposed better systems work Worth a darn and the new systems and possesses seem to be geared towards driving off the customers. They would love nothing more to just abandon the copper plant and it's customers but it's not that simple

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Post ID: @ech+1hyNZHdl

Hope it happens soon-"network with class-do it with glass-'cause glass kicks *$s"

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Post ID: @wri+1hyNZHdl

Copper will eventually die. But I think the thought that they will abandoned it anytime really soon is a little off. The infrastructure is there thru cities and suburbs that are free revenue for the company. Even where fiber has overlapping coverage with the fiber there are still copper customers. I agree it will go away eventually not just anytime in the near future.

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