If you wanted less work done in the office, more communicating/chit chat/wasting time. That's what you'll get. Add on the added costs for employees, pets who will now be unattended after spending 6 years with their owners at home...I'm sure that will go great for everyone!
Can't wait for this to backfire like every other decision leadership seems to make lately.
We're #2! We're #2! We're #2!
@av there is no collaboration needed by claims employees. We talk to customers all day and do not have projects or make any decisions that effect each other, we have teams to chat or ask questions. Zero need for claims to sit in an office just to be distracted by each other.
When Victor Terry was announced as Chief Diversity Officer, State Farm stated:
"In 2019, 9.4% of State Farm employees quit their jobs, compared to 3% of Americans who quit their jobs in August 2019, the highest quit rate recorded by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. State Farm workers with longer tenure are more likely to stay: The share of employees who quit with five to nine years with the company is 1.2%, while employees with 10 or more years is below 1%."
Covid happened, the job market got tight and people had options so they became very nice. Told you what you wanted to hear. Now that the labor market is horrible and people are getting layoffs, they get really brave. Execs always show their true colors. Always! Their business model got delayed, not forgotten, as they are getting right back on track to becoming the worst company in America to work for! That is their goal! Don't you feel lucky! Churn and burn baby! Churn and Burn!!!!
@10s "opportunity", FFS.
Bunch of entitled whiners. You work - you get paid. You don’t like it - find a new job.
Thats a load, the culture died with the closure of LOC and the migration to hubs, which standardized current toxic work culture.
Old culture isnt coming back, it was ki-led with tipsort and the loss of legacy state farm.
They have the OPPERTUNITY to forge a new culture based on tech and being remote, they will squander this oppertunity i suspect, and cluctch on the old legacy SF.
Funny how they joked these were "change resistant dinosaurs" that needed to get on board with change, when we protested tipsord'ism...and now those very people are doing just that.
New fun thing, they are trying to claim this decision is to maintain state farms culture as the old guard retires.
As if execs haven't been destroying that culture all by themselves.
@aa Some of us were WFH even before Covid, so yeah that's 7 years for me personally. Before that, I wasn't over an hour away from my office when I did work in an office. Unfortunately, I don't get paid enough to live close to the hub and where I am now, my paycheck barely covers my bills. I don't have extras (cable, streaming, Amazon Prime etc), I budget everything, but things are so expensive now so it's always a struggle. Now to ask that we come in 50% of the time, I honestly don't know if I can pay for the fuel. My car gets almost 30mpg and I can barely afford 1 week in-office. 7 years ago I made less money, but it went way farther because things weren't as expensive. I was more financially stable all those years ago making half what I make now. So it's not as cut and dry as you make it seem.
Listen - we don’t have much IT talent. Better to get work done overseas at a fraction of a cost. Rip the band aid off and let’s get this train moving. Lots of lazy entitled low tier college grads when we could have thoroughbreds working 24/7 to deliver deliver deliver.
it is pretty obvious now how much leadership hates us
they don’t even try to hide it any more
so sad considering what the farm used to stand for
@ah
Totally ignorant. Is this what they do all day? 90% b.s. and 10% actual work??
@ag
I like that idea!!! lol
Going to be hilarious to see all the new TMs and employees have to start dealing with the in-office issues. Most leaders at SF have never been in an office 75% with employees 50%. She talks too loud, it's too cold, it's too hot, he is smacking his gum. LOL! Ohh and let's not forget people missing more work now, being late to work, getting stuck in traffic, car broke down, and all the other thing more in-office brings. Let the rapid decline accelerate! Oh how quickly these re-ards forget.
@jr So let me help you understand the sc-m and trash you are dealing with. Actually what our Executive's are doing is going to the Agent's at convention and telling them hey we listened to you and we are making all those useless, lazy, incompetent employees go back into the office. Clap Clap, YAY! I'm in agency leadership and all the agent's do is complain to Execs about how horrible operations is. U/W and claims but claims being the worst. They think everyone is at home watching Netflix and taking naps. They keep saying the service will improve if you will just make them go back into the office. Most of our agents are clueless id--ts that are totally out of touch with the reality of operations. Agents understand we are moving to a more digital format for sales and reduced commissions. The agency footprint is shrinking but they want to blame everyone else first before they have to get their due. You are just a disposable pawn the games our Executives play, sleight of hand per se! Enjoy as "they" slap you in the chin!
@dy looking to lose employee and reduce pay of the bootlickers here wanting RTO. Great cheap labor, but these clowns are usually highly incompetent and need in office meetings to be spoonfed to complete tasks or they get PIPd. Trust me they're highly unskilled and can't even write a line of code that an intern can. So they need RTO.
Are they really bringing people back or expecting to lose employees in BLM woth closure of main HQ?
I cancelled my policies years ago. Love my Progressive insurance! Look around, I now the people in the remote locations don't get to see it but the Hubs are a ghetto dump! When you go to the parking garages it smells like weed and so do the elevators. Most of the employees are 2040, check the box, DEI hires. Ex-Burger King employees, burnt out social workers, purple hair, nose rings, Hello Kitty back packs, 4 inch bedazzled nails, preferred pronouns, huge chest/neck tattoos, low IQ group of, FMLA and ADA accommodation all star squad. You just can't even believe they are allowed to walk in the door. 90% of the people I work with would have never even been hired to be janitors 15 years ago. It is bad....just bad! Even worse they have promoted a lot of these people into leadership and they are wrecking havoc in every department. Insane Asylum!
All employees affected should cancel their policies with SF as they’re being let go. The company doesn’t care about its employees. The only advantage of working at SF was being able to work from home to make up for the low pay. Now they’ll likely force employees back into the office to push people to quit. They hired tons of people in the last 3yrs to clean up their $hit of a mess policies & now they'll discard of everyone.
I’m with a smaller competitor but our team monitors this forum. We print and share our favorites threads around the office and it’s hilarious how entitled some of you come across. It’s clear why we’re taking share when you hate yourselves so muhc hahahahhaaha
Don’t worry! JP is here to save the day. He designed a great app to sell tacos that made a lady cry with joy on her birthday! Let’s go!!!
I've been with SF over 30 years and not sure everyone truly understands the situation that you are in. We all are in! Yes, there will be RTW mandates and yes they are designed to make people leave. No speculation at this point so stop asking. Read the email that everyone got today. The other part you are not understanding, the outside consulting firms have told State Farm Execs that over the next 2-3 years unemployment, especially among white collar job is going to explode. The estimates provided to our Executive team is there will be 10 workers for every job. Remember that is an executives dream! They do not have to pay more and do not have to accommodate anyone or anything because in their mind any clown or AI can do your job, and will! They really want just disposable slave labor. These Execs are narcissistic unqualified piles of sh-t. Clueless re-ards! DO NOT EVER delude yourself into thinking they care anything about you or your well being. Roll a corpse in and roll a corpse out...next! That is the business model over the last decade at SF and it is about to get ratcheted up by multiples. Are you really surprised? Wake up! We all knew this was coming and if you didn't god bless you! Future is not bright!
I really would like an answer to the fact people uprooted and moved to hubs for security and opp. Now it is a significant disadvantage to be in a hub. (Lost time and money) Remote 100% still here and getting promo opps. So what do they say to the hub folks? Honestly it is seriously effed up. Is something coming or what? How do you not address this?
Do it for the policyholders!
So i have to ask, the person who is or larping as an executive here...was it that the workforce was too happy and they needed to fix that?
Or are they wanting to get rid of a large portion of people and just too cowardly to fire people based on performance?
Or is it really they are just that clueless and out of touch and bored with the WFH and dont care about anyone else?
It was the same thing when they closed the LOC and wouldnt be straight with anyone about it. It feels like all they care about is keeping the worker bees as unhappy as they can. It cant possibly be about cost, since getting rid of the office space would save many millions.
@at - Farney said today we would probably never return to 100% in office. I was in the call, heard it with my own ears.
DO the executives understand that its not 1990 and that state farm isnt legacy state farm anymore? Like they understand its not a destination for insurance professionals, and they are likely lucky to have what talent they do.
I feel like our executives assume there is a line of people waiting to join state farm due to it being such a great insurance company, reality is much more the opposite.
Man do i fear for whoever has to clean this company up after all the destruction the last 10 years.....
So on the Executive call today, JF, with all leadership this will be implemented in the fall of 2026, later for some. Claims employees will be coming in 50% of the time and all claims leadership will be coming in 75% of the time. Basically they are going to wait until the summer is over and kids start back to school. Plus a lot more space will become available after the April round of severance packages for U/W, ILR and a few other small areas. More layoffs in October too. Plenty of space! This is not just corporate. Hubs too as JF stated. Segment leadership will share department plans and timelines next week. RTW mandates are designed to get you to quit! Nothing else, everyone knows it is complete BS. These people are trash but we already know that. Protest by cancelling your policies and telling everyone you know what POS this place is. Go 2040! Lunatic Asylum! Trash....
2027 and 2028 are just rumors/assumptions at this point, farneys email was generic.
they really just want us in office to babysit us? is that it? I see no value in office outside of management seeing other managers?
Like i get the upper management, analyists, ect being in office more, they collaborate often. I take calls all day, and barely have enough time to personally recover/bathroom/water refill on my breaks. I dont interact with anyone in office. Our lunches are even staggered to prevent socialization.
I really hope this is targeted at teams that work with eachother in person vs the call center. morale is already low in the call center, its already rough enough work, hard enough to find people to stick around. This is the slap in the face we all didnt need. Maybe its time to polish up the resume and get with a company that isnt in decline.
So, remote employees will also be 100% in office in 2028 then ?
Too many distractions at home are catching up. Commuting has been done for 100 years. Home is for family matters, family fued, and the View. Office is for collaboration and winning. Apparently almost a lost art. See you at the water cooler
The plan is 50% minimum in 2027 with expectations to be more and 100% RTO in 2028.
@a3 I had a mo--n co-worker of mine say a couple months back, "So what?" to the impending fall from #1 spot. You cannot fix stoopid.
Ill be honest, i hate the current 1 week in office, its the worst week of my month, i dread it, survive through it, and are euphoric once done as i wont have to deal with the commute and office for another 3 weeks after. In office is so damn boring too, 10 seconds of downtime feels like an hour, the day draggs, then i get to deal with the rat race home....
no thanks, for a company that shows time and time again it wants to be working against its employees, i dont think ill be willing to go from dreading 1/4th the monnth to half isnt worth it.
Ill take even a pay cut to stay remote. Absolutely mo--nic management and executives, i swear we have the d-mbest people running this show.
You legit could save money offering 100% WFH and draw tons of talent to the company, instead you purge the company of talent.
stop following other insurance companies for fu--s sake
So I’m guessing if you moved 2 hours away while hybrid were fu---d? It’s unfortunate I could easily make my current in office days. but 50% will be too much.
Tell me State Farm doesnt actually care about what our survey say without telling me state farm doesnt care about what we put on our surveys.
Not going to waste another minuet filling out a damn survey moving forward.
It says "most" will be about 50% with leaders more.
My assumption is that "most" refers to people actually in operations, while the analysts and above get much less than 50%.
@ah same here. I probably won't go in all the time even if they make it mandatory but definitely interviewing around. This is a massive downgrade from a total compensation standpoint and many other companies are now competitive.
Did anyone get any confirmation its actually 50% return to office? Email wasnt specific and seemed to be mostly about bloomington having too much office space.
I hope this isnt true, we are already so understaffed its scary, moving another week of in office we are going to lose a lot of people, im likely going to bite the bullet and start looking once i get it confirmed. I know im already being underpaid. I dont think there is anything unique about working for SF that i cant get at a competitor or brokerage ect.
Also, im so tired of management that makes decisions that negatively impact me, its like every 6 months there something new they do to either complicate my role for no reason, take away decision power, make it more irritating for my caller, ect.
IM SICK OF THE DOWNGRADES.
Always taking something, making something worse. WFH was the ONLY silver lining on my last 6 years of work, and its done wonders to keep me in. My job is so frustrating, complicated, irritating to deal with as is, now i have to waste time commuting in more? for what? you micromanage every single minuet of my day and 100% of that needs to be productive.
I DONT HAVE TIME TO INTERACT WITH CO WORKERS IN OFFICE. YOU UNDERSTAFF ON PURPOSE THEN TELL ME I NEED TO INTERACT WITH CO WORKERS MORE?
Well theyll get their deserved higher turnover.
@af that's what people told me before going fully remote. Basically come in to the office, do one hour of work and then walk around, get exercise, waste time, gossip etc.
@ad I am glad I retired before they got rid of the soda freebies.
Are you talking about just the free sodas at the machines? Or also the free 5 year anniversary pop cart also?
I used to get my exercise walking the halls of corp south looking for those free pop carts.
All of this after the C Suite was "SHOCKED" by the results of last years employee survey saying no one wanted to come into the office....they are doing it anyway. This place is bleeding money and getting rid of the workforce through silent tactics like RTO is all part of their plan.