Just saying.
The whole thing makes no sense.
Why come in at all.
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Doesn't matter where I am, 99% of my meetings and interactions are via teams, email and phone. RTO is a complete waste of time and money.
@k5 And so what if we are?
If we're productive, why does it matter where we're being productive from? It sounds more like Executives are jealous that we can be productive in zen-like environments while they can't feel productive without being seen and lording over their domains.
Their attention needyness doesn't equate to our productivity. Any true leader would realize this and empower their troops to do what is necessary to operate at maximum potential.
@b2 Derek Flowers said we're all sitting poolside when we're on Teams calls an our cameras aren't on. Projecting much?
Sounds theory at some businesses perhaps, the problem in this case is that HY doesn't want American workers period. Therefore it stretches believability that HY torments us as part of a scheme to get us to work harder. They
@bn or come to the office and we do teams calls, nobody has their cameras on either.
I haven't had any face to face meetings since RTO except for when upper management comes to visit and gathers everyone for a rah rah type meeting. My manager will do virtual even if you and he are both in the office.
I did not have a single face to face meeting since RTO started. My team is spread out across US. Yet they insist on 4 days and 8 hours per day. They want people to leave and are willing to make them as uncomfortable as possible. The goal is headcount reduction. Wells Fargo headcount got reduced for the last 23 quarters - Ai will accelerate the trend.
@a9 anyone know of any legit websites with real remote jobs that doesn't involve being on the phone or selling something?
@b2 doesn't take but 3 - 5 minutes per instance of changing a load of clothes over. Long as the work is getting done. I really don't think a company that's been around since the mid 1800s is going to crumbling down all because people are running errands and chores.
The real trouble though more likely to happen is laying off experienced folks and replacing them with no experience, quality drops and they end up quoting.
Some jobs take a certain kind of person to be able to handle it.
None for me. The whole people goofing off at home. We got people in the office doing nothing. Manager not in same town. Absolutely no reason to come in.
There are other reasons why they want you in. The first one is that they don't really trust anyone to work from home. They think we're all doing chores and errands I stead of working. Unfortunately, that has been going long before Covid. And of course, it's a one size fits all. So that minority group ruins it for everyone else
@az Doubtful. I checked numbers posted on Glassdoor
And did the math.
@aq no, it is not 1:10. It is 1:4 for technology positions.
@ad Senior Software Engineer in India makes 1500000 INR pa
Which is 16,200 USD pa
1:10 ratio still holds good :)
Once you understand that your sole purpose of an employee is to prop up commercial real estate then it will start making sense. Of corporations didn’t force their employees to go to the office the whole industry would die. I say let it.
What is a current ratio between onshore vs offshore in terms of compensation? I believe that 1 to 10 times are gone long time ago. Is to 1:3 or 1:2?
When do you think job market might turn in our favor?
Zero here
What's really annoying about the whole thing is, WFH wasn't a covid thing for Wells Fargo, it was the norm for thousands of workers pre-covid. I had a signed full-time telecommute agreement years prior to 2020, and I know I wasn't alone. Seeing them trash a system that was working, for no reason other than to make people miserable in the hopes of some minor severance avoidance, never stops being infuriating. Every single day I commute in for zero value add, it picks the scab fresh all over again.
Its clear the toothpaste is not going back in the tube as long as the current leadership team is in charge. Just last week I overheard someone's conversation as they worked on a dashboard tracking every single individual with a remote or flexible work arrangement across the entire LOB. If C-suite leadership is watching it at that level of detail at this point, they're never letting it go, the rachet is only going to move one direction. At this point I think you just have to buckle down and wait them out. Fortunately remote is not the unique thing it was in 2016, lots of companies offer it now. Job market is a complete dumpster fire at the moment, but these things go on a cycle, eventually things will turn again. My only (cold) comfort is that I expect WF to see a mass exodus of holdouts who were waiting out the bad job market, right at the moment that they want to shift gears and start growing rather than shrinking.
I was just thinking the same thing this morning. It’s been over a year for RTO and I still hate it. I will never get used to it. The genie is out of the bottle on this one.
I haven't had a F2F meeting in over 12 years.
ZERO for me
Instead of beating this issue to death, just face the fact that you have been lied to. They know they have temporarily won this battle. If you want the job, do the stupid RTO time. They will lose their good people or become more flexible, if and when, the job market changes back to the favor of the worker.
You’ve had 5 face to face meeting since RTO? That’s a lot. I’ve had maybe 2.
the whole point is to make work life more sh---y so you quit, or you refuse so they can fire you
Anything to move your 80k+ job to india where salaries are 1/10th what they are in usa.