I've been with my org since before the pandemic. We were converted to full remote workers at the start of the pandemic. I am finding people on my team are calling in sick once a week often leaving other colleagues attend meetings for them etc.
Anyone else have this problem?
I agree, the longer I’m here the harder it becomes to leave. And the longer I spend here knowing I should get out but doing nothing about it, the worse it will get for me.
Admitting that you have a problem is the first step toward recovery. So glad we were here to help!
Honestly, your issue sounds like a private matter. Maybe discuss it with your therapist?
As they say on here if you don't like the thread why don't you just quit it!
Why TF is this thread still alive?! Because some sad sack employee feels the need to rationalize his action/inaction to trolls?
I understand where you’re going with this, and yes I agree, the longer I’m here the harder it becomes to leave. And the longer I spend here knowing I should get out but doing nothing about it, the worse it will get for me. You make a fair point. That’s why I AM doing something about it.
What people don’t seem to understand is that I’m actually in agreement that I need to get out of Oracle as fast as I can. I’ve quit jobs in the past and taken big salary reductions in order to move on. It’s not that simple under my current circumstances. I can’t afford to earn less than I do now, so I’m getting additional training, building my portfolio, applying for jobs elsewhere and working on multiple income streams among other things. I would rather not be in this situation but that’s how it is and I take responsibility for it.
My problem is the uninformed people on here masking their superiority complex and judgement as “advice”. They don’t know what I or anyone else is dealing with, but they think they know better about what we should be doing with our lives. “Get out of Oracle now loozer” sounds great on paper but it’s not always that black and white. I am actively trying to make that happen! I’ve heard the same arguments over and over “you’ll never leave you’re a doormat blah blah blah”. Thanks for that. Hope it made you feel better about yourself. If I’m still here in 6 months I’ll believe you and probably sink into a depression. But don’t pretend you’re motivating me to prove you wrong because that was never your intention. You say it to be mean and belittle people. Besides I don’t need any extra motivation.
I get it, everyone could do with a bit of tough love, it’s just the unnecessary judgement and trolling I could do without. If you actually do want to help, then say something helpful!
"so I have to plan my way out"
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I don’t think you understood my point. I do have dependants and actually that weighs pretty heavily. That is why I am still at Oracle and haven’t left yet. I can’t afford to be unemployed even for a month so I have to plan my way out. I don’t wish redundancy on anyone and I certainly feel for the good people who have been let go, but I have no sympathy for the troll who my response was intended for. Bullies need to be held accountable and this one clearly comes on to this site to act superior, to abuse people like me and feel better about themselves. I’m an empathetic person and I don’t like seeing other people being downtrodden and pushed towards mental health issues for someone else’s enjoyment. I feel that someone has to stand up to these jerks, instead of choosing to come on here and provide helpful advice they choose to try and make us feel small because they think that will increase their own self worth.
So you walked away and moved on from Oracle did you? What a hero. Why are you on here then? Can’t let go?
does your response actually make feel better? if so, you are headed down a slippery slope. Alot of good hard working people enjoy your their work and some have had to put up with jerks like you because they had a dependent that had life or death issues and needed their health insurance. And some of those people were terminated because of greedy VP's manipulating their budget so they could give themselves another raise, to take another trip. There is alot more to life that "self" Hope no one every has to depend on you for anything or at least until you learn to care about people.
“ loozer excuse for interminable procrastination”
So you walked away and moved on from Oracle did you? What a hero. Why are you on here then? Can’t let go?
Yet more proof of the Oracle Ghost Principle.
funny how many down votes are on this thread. shows how many possible corrupt mid mgmt VPs that read these posts --- not all VPs are guilty however, there more than a few that are guilty and it is our hope that if, you did the crime rhen, you'll have to do the time. abusing employees is unacceptable for everyone and no one is entitled to take what you want from employees. lack of accountability in a position of responsibility is necessary whether required or not. publicly traded companies are protected by SEC. every shareholder may not have a vote however, every share is protected by law. if you have taken one envelope from Oracle, you have stolen from shareholders. taking employee's work, coercing two other employees to do your dirty work and most likley manipulating your budget for self gain as well as, expense account... might be cause of not seeing the light of day if, applicable. I heard something about boasting about having 75 million delta sky miles? that can certainly qualify to be a flight risk. if the shoe fits....you never know who is watching.... truth can not be hidden forever.
for those that have been bullied, abused and worried about being layed-off, be grateful that your future is going to much better than, it possibly will be for those that have wronged you and others.
"I'd just rather not quit on the spot because some people on the Internet told me to. "
^---- loozer excuse for interminable procrastination
"If the train is headed for a cliff, the best bet is to jump."
It's not though, is it. Oracle will still be here in 3 years. I'll be gone in under 6 months. So no need for the dramatics really. I'd just rather not quit on the spot because some people on the Internet told me to. Unless they're willing to pay my bills and childcare for the next few months.
What is the doormat principle even trying to achieve? What does it actually do to help anybody? It's not even advice. Seems like a cheap shot from a bitter ex-employee to me. Taking their anger out on the people who haven't left yet because they fell off the train and want everyone to jump with them.
If it's not that, then it's someone in management or HR trolling to drive people out. Or maybe a rival company. Whatever, it doesn't really matter. The point is, don't let this s*** affect your self-esteem.
Take the money, do the work required in your contract, focus all your spare time and energy on getting out when you can, and don't leave it too long. This is what I'd call advice (good or bad, you decide). Labelling someone a doormat is just name-calling.
I come here to read news about layoffs. When I leave, I won't be back on this site again. But the trolls will be skulking around here forever like ghosts because Oracle got inside their heads.
copy threads and send to SEC whistleblowers, anonymously
this is good stuff.
Bullying employees to quit definitely using mind control and stupid doormat principle. Enough is never enough. Band of thieves want people to quit so, there will more room in the budget to take yet, another bonus. Everything stays within budget and there are no red audit flags. It's called Corporate Theft. Surprise will be on them. They manipulate budgets so, they can line their own pockets and think the more mid mgmt VPs they can get to do this, the safer they are. Because approvals get paid. They are too stupid to understand filings with SEC have rules and regs. Oracle is publicl;y traded. They stealing from investors. Follow the money. Bonuses, Expense accounts,
Travel & Entertainment will be interesting. Mid mgmt VPs need to very nervous. 2023 will be memorable year.
If the train is headed for a cliff, the best bet is to jump.
Your response highlights my point perfectly. You want people to jump off a moving train when they could just get off at the next stop.
Excuse me for being rational and having my own plan. I'm sorry if it didn't work out that way for you.
"The Oracle Doormat Principle and the attempt to connect it to every unhappy employee is getting a bit old now."
Doormat much? Poster working hard to rationalize the fact that he's sticking with the Oracle train.
Yes because Mid mgmt VP is taking your pay raise and bonuses, they think they will always get away up with it but sit tight... things are about to get very interesting,
The Oracle Doormat Principle and the attempt to connect it to every unhappy employee is getting a bit old now. It was never funny or clever. Or accurate. You’re selling the concept so hard and it’s clearly not landing. Are you writing a book on it or something? Why are you so keen to push people out in such a hurry? Makes you wonder what the real motive is…
The Oracle mind control is all over this thread. If you are a star and work your Fanny off and your rewards are nil or unsatisfactory: Get another job!
Sticking around to see if they ever notice or if you get a “good” manager or team is a waste of your time and talent.
It's' just proof that The Oracle Doormat Principle is real.
The Oracle mind control is all over this thread. If you are a star and work your Fanny off and your rewards are nil or unsatisfactory: Get another job!
Sticking around to see if they ever notice or if you get a “good” manager or team is a waste of your time and talent.
In these days of inflation, not getting a COL raise is the same as getting a pay cut. They don't need to lay folks off if they can compel their employees to leave voluntarily. Why else do you think they're bringing folks back to the office? #SilentLayoffs, #Quietquitting. What comes around, goes around.
I’ve always given 100%, but it’s absolutely true that I could give 25% and get the same outcome. The only reason I don’t is that I want to remain professional and not drop my responsibilities on other people in my team. Unfortunately, Oracle takes advantage of that and piles on more pressure.
If I’m clearly never going to get a promotion, a payrise, supported by the company or listened to by my team, then I would be stupid not to give some of my time and energy towards finding a new job, starting my own business or getting the training I need to get out.
One of Oracles biggest flaws is that they don’t see the potential of their employees, they define their immediate worth early on and then either lay them off or leave them to rot.
People have pretty much quiet quit. I see the same on my team.
When you have nothing to gain and nothing to lose, people will more often than not, check out. Yes, some people will always take advantage of the system, but most people are professionals and expect to be treated as such. Treat them like cattle and that is what you get. Why put in your best when a quarter effort gets you the same? I've seen it too many times. People have found they can get away with a certain effort so that is what they are giving. Why give more when it gets you nothing but health problems?
Yes, I used to work my guys hard, I expected a lot and in return I gave them my best, always tried to be accountable, rewarded them the best I could, and always appreciate their effort.
Not quiet quitting, these oracle employees are working to their full potential.
People have pretty much quiet quit. I see the same on my team. There is more work than ever because the best people left and that seat was never replaced with anyone close to that competency level. Zero raises, bonuses in almost 7 years. Before that it was a paltry 3% pay raise every 3 or so years. In short , nobody cares enough and mental health days start making more and more sense.