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Lowball Offer

I have an offer for a role in IT that is actually less than my current base by over 1500USD a month. I’ve read a few others on here have faced the same predicament.Is there any point in negotiating further?

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@midb+1pQmDsQY regardless of the payroll he is on, if he is American he still has to pay US Federal taxes. But, you ae right, he should be looking at the bottom line on his Aramco offer vs what he is currently making. He also needs to calc what he would expect hid salary to be in 2 and in 5 years in the US. I would expect his future earnings would go up much faster than they would with Aramco. He also needs to include in his calc the cost of moving back to the US and having an resettlung fund that will last 6-12 months to allow him to readjust to the real world.

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Post ID: @ojsy+1pQmDsQY

Suggest you look at the overall bottom line on the offer v what you are on now on an after tax basis. Is there enough of a premium to tempt you. If you are on global you have the tax advantages here. If US then of course not as you pay hypo tax and even tax on SAIP which global don’t. Anyway, I’d suggest compare the offer bottom line to your current bottom line. Best of luck with your decision.

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Post ID: @midb+1pQmDsQY

Wow! How the tactics of offer negotiation have changed over the last 20 years.
Seems like they are trying to get bargains on people that need a change and don't have a lot of options. Of course, they have spent untold sums on educating their promising young locals and I suppose that is now altering the balance needed. Meaning less expats needed. Perhaps a few for the real know how for their young ones to learn from.

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Post ID: @fhmk+1pQmDsQY

Why bother even replying to them? Looks like an insulting offer, why would you come here for a pay cut? Madness. Tell them to do one, if you do respond.

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Post ID: @ebjo+1pQmDsQY

Standard practice as of today is for staffing to offer an all in 10% below current base. Upon negotiation they typically move it a max of 10% upwards, then apply “best and final offer” time bound pressure tactics. Actual offers are often only at parity with current base.

They then inflate the tax savings and “lifestyle benefits” elements.

I don’t really understand why anyone would come to Aramco (or any job), when the salary is the SAME? And given the zero raises or promotions, it’s a dead end.

We have had half a dozen rejections from expats at offer stage, it’s quite clear only unemployed people should apply.

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Post ID: @apwr+1pQmDsQY

Standard practice in the old days was to bump your salary by 25% over your previous salary. The rest of the package was pretty inconsequential, especially now with what they are offering and what the kingdom seems to be taking away.

$1500 below current salary is not a good thing at all.

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Post ID: @4vwn+1pQmDsQY

I think the poster said the offer is $1500 less per month not $1500 per month. Not to detract from the message that it is lower compared to current. Only question is how the total compensation looks vs. just base compared to current salary. There may be a difference when factoring in taxes and other benefits. But the poster knows the best if they looked at the total offer.

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Post ID: @4azq+1pQmDsQY

$1500 per month. How can you even live in KSA on that wage? No IT professional would accept that salary. Just walk away and move on.

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Post ID: @3kyu+1pQmDsQY

Run away. IT is one of the worst parts of the company to work, zero job satisfaction, coworkers who can’t be trusted, a vile, toxic working culture.

Management are corrupt and in bed with useless consultants that all take their share of silver, they will not bat an eyelid to steal your work and throw you under the bus. Very few expats stay long, except for those of Muslim stock/third world.

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Post ID: @2ojl+1pQmDsQY

That is the normal procedure on this days, remember IT positions are one of the departments that are targeted to be 100% locals, so, doesn't expect job stability. If they offer you so low is because one of your same Nationality future colleagues accept it. To be fair, Aramco doesn't start it, a lot of service providers are bringing now people with business visa to work in KSA without Iqama and even keeping their local salary and then after two months return home to continue working remotely and repeat the process again. Modern slavery.

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Post ID: @2fhp+1pQmDsQY

If they lowballed your base salary by that much, it's a clear message they don't want you. They may need you, but don't really want you. If you accept it, they know that they can treat you with disdane.

Also, from the lowball offer, it would not be hard to guess your ethnicity.

If you like your current job, don't even bother.

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Post ID: @1hjq+1pQmDsQY

Be honest but polite and let them know the offer is insufficient. But don't uproot your life for a deal such as that. As an aside, I found that I wasn't being paid well for my talents and skills, it was because I was willing to live in KSA and put up with the massive Aramco and governmental, never-ending bureaucracy and red tape. Your position at IT would be brutal, mainly because of the management paranoia regarding their IT. Not totally unwarranted. Good luck.

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Post ID: @1rau+1pQmDsQY

Negotiate and don’t care too much about the outcome. Treat it with detached disdain and who knows what will happen.

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Post ID: @1vmm+1pQmDsQY

That is indeed a low ball offer, considering they should at least match your current pay stub. Negotiate hard, like you don't have anything to lose. It's got to be really good and life changing money to live and work there. Don't expect to be there too for more than 2 years, specially in IT. Good luck.

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Post ID: @cfb+1pQmDsQY

I would say the offer is very revealing as to how they evaluate your skills and talents, even if they increase it to get you on-board it’s unlikely you will ever prove yourself in their eyes no matter how hard you try. They will use you to fill some urgent project need then discard you like a used tissue. I would take their low ball offer as a red flag.

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