Thread regarding Williams Cos. layoffs

Just curious - has anyone had any success associated with Lee Hecht Harrison (LHH) services - Williams provided?

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Post ID: @OP+IjDxlKD

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Yup doesn’t surprise about the references. My understanding is Williams encouraged their employees not to give references, raw deal because people always want references from your previous employee. Furthermore it would not surprise me that you where blackballed by somebody at Williams, it’s a small world. Blackballing is a lot more common than you might think. Maybe you might be better off finding alternate references, unfortunately this company does not follow the golden rule, treat others like you would treat yourself.

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Post ID: @wCkjc+IjDxlKD

A scam company hired by Williams with no thought to helping it’s fired employees. Not geared to helping older technical workers in a practical way. Just typical stereotype recommendations. As technical worker your experience and expertise are your strength, yet they recommend to cut your resume down to 10 years, to hide your age, absolutely ridiculous,

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Post ID: @wCowa+IjDxlKD

LHH instructed me to not use Williams references, even after 15 years of service given my IT job was outsourced to India and it would make me look bad for not being a good investment!

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Post ID: @wArgt+IjDxlKD

Yup they are a scam. Followed their advice of cutting off my experience to hide my age, it did not work, complete waste of time sent out over 200 resumes got interviews but no offers. Went another route and finally got some work. Age discrimination will ki-l you and this scam company did not do anything to address it.

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Post ID: @wasgy+IjDxlKD

Scam company in respect to help they say it’s your responsibility well then why are they getting paid ? Someone needs to shut these clowns down

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Post ID: @vysvc+IjDxlKD

My wife is using this firm after her separation... HR's job is like the police of your firm.

It would be safe to assume that LHH is hired by major corporations as a way to find red flags from former employees as a method to be sure you are not breaching the terms of your seperation. I see nothing about this here and find it odd that a company would be nice enough to help you with your next job, potentially at a competitor's firm.

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Post ID: @r7raz+IjDxlKD

I got it as part of my be package after lay off.

  1. BS
  2. Useless
  3. Scam organization
  4. They are same company as adecco ( scam employer temp agency should be outlawed )
  5. Rude support workers .
  6. The office in London Ontario has the most id–tic non helpful id–ts working there .
  7. Got employed in my own with a relative in insurance who said LHH is a joke and don’t waste my time .
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Post ID: @qlscn+IjDxlKD

LHH is useless , they did nothing You can’t google or YouTube . They have no contacts and or a job bank . I got employed on my own .

I had them do my resume , sent it out for about 2 months then a hr recruiter commented spelling mistakes on it . ( this is the resume LHH did my fault for not proof reading their so called work )
So I spent 100$ had it done by someone a professional . Sent it out and after a month was employed .
LHH should be nowhere around laid off employees . They are useless and devoid of any professionalism .

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Post ID: @qlacp+IjDxlKD

Lhh is a legal and or stunt provided as help for laid off workers .
They offer generic help
It is a waste of time
You are better off spending money to have your resume done professionally and by passing these clowns.
they jerk you around in different directions taking up your valuable time with different webinars , etc
End result your better off on your own

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Post ID: @mDfwt+IjDxlKD

Very little help for older technical workers, bad choice.

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Post ID: @Ovop+IjDxlKD

Not working yet, yeah you get interviews by eliminating dates on resume, but as soon as they figure out your age out you are toast, a lot of wasted time just to get to the interview and then get eliminated very quickly because of your age. Any opinions on this, maybe you should put the dates on the resume to avoid all these games and wasting peoples time, age discrimination is not going all at big companies.

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Post ID: @wwkc+IjDxlKD

Not yet! Trying a few of their recommended tricks, so far nobody has gone for the bait.

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Post ID: @hzww+IjDxlKD

Lhh not much help, ok for being free. You just need to go out and pound on doors, it very similar to sales, if you are good at sales you should be able to get a job, if you are lousy at sales, not so much!

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Post ID: @gioc+IjDxlKD

Not worried about it, because there is nothing you can do about It, need to have a positive attitude about it, that is only way to overcome it.

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Post ID: @fjhq+IjDxlKD

Those worried about age discrimination should vote for congressman, senators, and a president that will work to protect under served, disadvantaged, or minority populations....wait, that would be democrats!!!! Hide the women and children, not a democrat!

A good read for you folks would be "What's the Matter with Kansas".

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Post ID: @fini+IjDxlKD

Unfortunately Lhh is geared to help young professionals, not much help to older folks. It is ok for being free.

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Post ID: @fakj+IjDxlKD

Lhh advice about hiding graduation age and limiting experience to 10 years on resume is questionable. If someone sees the resume the first thing they do is do a phone screen and ask what year did you graduate from high school? It is a cope out. It may make some sense of you are applying for jobs that only require a few years of experience, but that is tough sledding, eventually they will find out you are older. odds are stacked against you. Lhh appears to be geared to the young professionals not the older types that where hammered in the recent layoffs, disappointing

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Post ID: @dqtv+IjDxlKD

Trump is right, it is rigged system., everyone knows that. Hammering away at these applications, many ask for your birthdate, year you graduated, etc. Totally rigged system, cannot not even apply without revealing your age, very bad.

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Post ID: @adkc+IjDxlKD

I do think having Williams on your resume is very valuable, the smaller companies always like to hire employees from larger companies, so it is not all bad news. I dont think they would hold it against you for working at Williams. There will always be questions about being let go, some dont care, others might, so that is going reduce your odds as well. It is simply a numbers game, you may have to apply more.

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Post ID: @4jmk+IjDxlKD

All good points and agree with a lot of them. There are lots of people having difficulty getting a job right now the market is poor, it is not all related to age, i will give you that, and experience is certainly better than none. I do think you are naive regarding certain issues, no point in repeating it, but the recommendations to eliminate dates from college degrees are for only one reason, age discrimination, you can defend it till you are blue in the face. I dont have a problem with LHH either, i think some other posters do though, because they havent been providing services that are specific enough, they only provide general guidance, that is readily available for free on the internet, they would rather get a check, instead of the services provided. Of course nobody will throw your resume in the trash due to age that is against the law, they will always find another reason for an older worker.

Good Luck

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Post ID: @4ohy+IjDxlKD

Tough talk for someone replying on a anonymous message board. The majority of the posts about how bad LLH s---s are posts complaining about age. The reality is that age may have a little to do with not getting a position, but it is not a definite reason that they throw your resume in the trash. Think about it, if you're able too, when posting on a message board you have numerous grammatical errors and you loose your temper when someone calls you out, it probably comes out in your resume as well. Everyone thinks that they have a great resume but the only great one is the one that works. Also, you state that you have 30+ years of experience; however, is all that experience in the oil and gas industry and/or all at Williams. If it is look at the market everyone knows the oil and gas industry is in a slump right now and s---s. If it is all in Williams, you're screwed because everyone outside of Williams knows that they can't make quality decisions about anything, so what makes you think that another O&G company that the one good decision that they ever made was hiring you (not likely). You have to make sure your resume sells you to them and you do that by telling them how you made your past companies money and how you're going to make them money. So stop bitching on message boards, grab your nuts, lift them up, and go get a f---ing job.

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Post ID: @4eqq+IjDxlKD

I will kick your $$). You are probably a young smart $$$ punk.

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Post ID: @4qmd+IjDxlKD

Helping you out. It is since not sense. Sense is like your five senses; sight, touch, taste, hearing, and smelling.

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Post ID: @3wtr+IjDxlKD

Agreed, except I use a spell checker and grammar checker on my resume, any idiot can do that. I am repackaging myself, I believe it is very necessary, in that sense lhh is on the money. 20 years ago under the exact same conditions, I would send out no more than five resumes, get three interviews and have a job in hand within a month. No such luck this time. It gets harder at 70+ everyone knows that. They will use any legal excuse, to eliminate any older candidate, they won't be happy with reduced pay, obsolete, only had one job, had too many jobs, the list goes on.

Yes, I will be successful, because my support struture is great. Many people fail because they give up, that is not happening with me, there is no quit.

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Post ID: @3ibv+IjDxlKD

Going by the last post, age has nothing to do with it. It is grammar and spelling that's holding you back.

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Post ID: @3rem+IjDxlKD

I haven't give up on age yet, just submitted an application with my 30+ years of expertise, hoping

Somebody might see the value of it, despite the recommendations of the pundits to water it it down.

As trump with say I have no choice.

Go with make the most sense

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Post ID: @3aol+IjDxlKD

Face the facts, if you are honest with age over 55 your chance of getting past Hr is close to zero. That is why lhh and others are strongl recommending to limit experience to 10 to 15 years and scrub graduation dates. I am not convinced yet but the job search results of including dates have been poorly received, convinced that is 100 % due to age rejection. Adjustments in job searching are required due to this, unless you want to end up on the soup lines

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Post ID: @3lrq+IjDxlKD

Worth very little, their advice to hide dates on resumes to not reveal your age. Employers will ask for all types of dates on application forms and computer will not allow processing without the dates, of course they don't have an answer for that. Off to a Trump rally to vent some anger.

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Post ID: @2sdo+IjDxlKD

Agreed, not very helpful for older workers or technical people.

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Post ID: @2bdn+IjDxlKD

Agreed, only a fool would believe a large company cares about its employees. You are simply a number. Maybe getting fired from Williams is a blessing in the long run, there is more to live than being a Corporate pimp.

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Post ID: @1tgz+IjDxlKD

Why not throw in some pre-interview plastic surgery advice while their at it? There are shady "job prep" sites littering the internet. This sounds like just another cheesy outfit hired thoughtlessly by Williams. Apparently once again going though the motions to give (some fool) the impression of their undivided caring .

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Post ID: @1cvf+IjDxlKD

Agreed, LHH cannot do anything, you are basically screwed, unless you have contacts . There aren't a lot of jobs available for 50+ employees at large companies. If you are looking to come in at a lower level they are not going to hire you, for these positions, even if you wanted the job, and where happy with the pay. It is not impossible, to find a job, very difficult especially if you are 55+. Better looking at smaller companies and expect to take a significant pay cut and drop in benefits.

I read the current time to find a job is 9 months and that is average, also there are 95MM people out of the workforce, probably a lot of them over 50. because they have given up looking.

By scrubbing your age from the college, it may provide a small edge in appearance, and if the resume gets circulated some might not catch on. They claim the goal is to get the interview, but I agree there is not any good way to get in the front door, expect a lot of rejection if you do this, not impossible but odds are low.

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Post ID: @1nop+IjDxlKD

Apparently the vast majority of workers subject to the layoffs by Williams were 50 years and over and LHH Is suggesting things like ways to hide ones actual age? How would one expect to manage that in the world as we know it today? Background check - end of story. Hair dyeing? Come on...

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Post ID: @1lhh+IjDxlKD

LLH might be free to us because Williams paid for it; but, I'd rather Williams have given me the check the made out to LLH for my services. Or at least given me the choice of the service or check.

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Post ID: @1rum+IjDxlKD

They aren't offering much help to the older workers, that is because there isn't much they can do. They offer basic job searching skills, that is about it.

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Post ID: @1khe+IjDxlKD

It's a childish outfit offering dim advice. It seemed as though they cut and pasted from all the wrong "how to" sites offering advice on the internet.

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Post ID: @1amu+IjDxlKD

Ok. A mix of duties and accomplishments is good. They are screening and throwing your resumes in the trash if you do not meet the qualifications of the posted job, especially if you are older.

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Post ID: @1upu+IjDxlKD

Thank you for the response. Aopreciate it. At 40 you are in the prime of your career, getting a job should be easy.

I am not thrilled about lhh but they are free.

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Post ID: @1nvt+IjDxlKD

Replying to the poster about format and content. A resume should showcase your accomplishments and what you did for the company to make it money. LLH states that it should state your duties. No company cares about the duties of a position, they want to know what you did for the company to make it succeed and what you will do to make their company to succeed. Another suggestion LLH made was to put References Available Upon Request on the bottom of your resume. That is the dumbest thing to put. Think of it from the perspective of a hiring manager, "I sure am glad that if I request it the person will give their references to me, most others say no you can't have them."

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