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ITT Employee Confessional

Alright, so what rules did you break while working at ITT to make your job more bearable, more ethical, or more honorable?

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I was an adjunct at ITT, I taught computer science courses. I updated the materials and had the students do actual labs that I would create. My classes were standing room only, I would have students who wanted to actually learn the material. I found the students had passion and really wanted to learn to better themselves. It made me so sad to see what other course materials looked like when they would bring it to me.

I came from the private sector (still work there) and have been doing IT at a high level for almost 20 years. In my classes we did practical, tough, learning that met with the objectives of the course and then went beyond. The goal was that you could walk out of my course and not only know the theory but actually do the work (hands on).

I found very little support from the full time staff and that things were lost, forgotten, unknown when asked. I also found very little resources for the students to be successful, poor labs (if any), terrible laptops, etc.

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Post ID: @1Xeeh+JuHyc2W

"I skipped straight to final assessment part. Needed 80% to pass. I like to see how many tries I needed to pass, "

Yup - that was the fun way! :)

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Post ID: @Cmek+JuHyc2W

"Wow! I'm surprised and yet not at the crap losers who broke rules have posted while being paid by an employer to follow rules."

I'm surprised that anybody is dumb enough to think that ITT Tech management's "rules" were remotely practical.

e.g.

Rule 1 - Make sure that 80% of the NT2640 class pass.

Rule 2 - Use the NT2640 exam exactly as is and use the incorrect answers that still have not been corrected.

Rule 3 - Despite teaching the hardest module on the course still call absent students at first break rather than attend to the present student's understanding of sub-netting.

So which of these and the dozen or so other applicable "rules" should I ignore... Hmmmm...

The clowns in Carmel were exactly that - CLOWNS. The directors and others at campus level who never fought back didn't help.

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Post ID: @Crqd+JuHyc2W

Wow! I'm surprised and yet not at the crap losers who broke rules have posted while being paid by an employer to follow rules. I'm sure with as many employees as they had, like other large organizations made some bad hires like these people who put themselves before the students and the company. One of the reasons ITT had so many rules and policies was to prevent crap like this from happening! Again, people who were incapable of doing the job right had to make it look good so they cut corners or took advantage of people or the system. You were part of the problem! Go work for some university where the public can pay your salary and you can hide under the blanket of the system!

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Post ID: @noql+JuHyc2W

I took at least 6 packs of computer paper home. On the GEI, I checked that the students was using their knowledge and skills learned from their core classes on their job, even though they told me they wasn't.

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Post ID: @4mat+JuHyc2W

At our campus (082) it was very common among faculty to mark students "present" for attendence if we only talked to them on the phone during the break, or if they emailed us about their absence before the end of class. I know some instructors would have their chairs change attendance for absent students to "present" if they submitted makeup work. Why? Because this company would fire goid instructors if their "engagement rates" were too low. Never worked for a sh!++ier company in how it treated its employees than ITT. I was let go in 2013 because I wouldn't rig my courses' attendence.

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Post ID: @4ish+JuHyc2W

Never required students to submit assignment to e-portfolio . Never required students use virtual library for resources.

When taking my required e-campus "professional development" classes I skipped straight to final assessment part. Needed 80% to pass. I like to see how many tries I needed to pass, which was more fun and took less time than actually watching the awful content. Any one else here think the dark haired avatar with annoying voice was suspiciously like Kevin Modany?

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Post ID: @3thh+JuHyc2W

Never did make any calls to absent students at first break. The students who actually showed up got my attention.

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Post ID: @3muc+JuHyc2W

To know or not to know. Or no way. Or Noe (BKA Noah) you know it all are pathetic. Don't you no? Lol.

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Post ID: @3rrj+JuHyc2W

http://gizmodo.com/how-itt-tech-screwed-students-and-made-millions-1786654315

Yep you guys all really did care about the students

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Post ID: @2vre+JuHyc2W

Sold, the extra texts on ebay! Golden!

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Post ID: @2yzw+JuHyc2W

Worked as rep for SoCal campus a few years back - we were monitored to make sure we made at least 100+ outbound calls a day (number of outbound calls were tracked and reported the next day). Let's just say there were many reps who "cut some corners" just so hit that number. Also, I ended up conducting an 'admissions interview' with someone who turned out to be a "secret shopper" - someone hired by ITT Tech to pose as a prospect to see if we were following the company's guidelines in our interviews/presentations. A week or so later, the report from the secret shopper came gack - I passed with 'flying colors.' Yet a month later, I was written up by my DoR for conducting these interview wrong, and fired a month after that for not hitting my numbers.

Fast forward 2 months - I get a call from a friend who still worked at that campus, the DoR was just fired!!

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Post ID: @1xqk+JuHyc2W

"You people are such bull sh--ters. Trying to make ITT look bad. Those who really worked there no the truth."

Spoken like a Kool-Aid drinking rep.

At least the academic staff who worked there knew how to spell "KNOW".

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Post ID: @1szy+JuHyc2W

"Those who really worked there" also know how to spell KNOW!

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Post ID: @1lgf+JuHyc2W

Forum police are posting again, telling us we shouldn't be posting!

Doesn't like us saying bad things about itt tech. F U

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Post ID: @1ryt+JuHyc2W

"Move on" "nothing better to do" - by some clown who's LOOKING IN this "forum"!

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Post ID: @1obi+JuHyc2W

Move on, you idiots. Do you really have nothing better to do than hang out on this forum? Really F&^%# sad....

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Post ID: @1gbv+JuHyc2W

I sold the leftover textbooks each quarter on eBay

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Post ID: @nsc+JuHyc2W

"Those who really worked there no the truth."

I for one really worked there, and posted absolute truth on this thread. If I could make this stuff up, I would be enjoying a new career in creative writing. Why do you think this fraud makes it onto TV shows like PBS Frontline? Because the stories are fantastic, and, people with most of their brain cells intact can see we are not making this stuff up! Nursing students who go to a Scientology museum for psychiatric clinicals!

Too many employees like you, while working for this ITT fraud scheme, coped by remaining totally delusional. Amazing some employees are still riding that train!

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Post ID: @ppb+JuHyc2W

You people are such bull sh--ters. Trying to make ITT look bad. Those who really worked there no the truth.

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Post ID: @fvo+JuHyc2W

Taking liberty of posting entry from another thread, that addresses this question, by making some far-fetched claims ....

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/JqUoj37#replies

Have to be skeptical of any long term employee who writes this: "And I NEVER, EVER, EVER passed a student that didn't deserve it." Come on, be honest!

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Post ID: @xkb+JuHyc2W

I slept with a few students...and faculty...and other co-workers...You did say, "To make things bearable." And before the avalanche comes upon me, I know I'm not the only one...hell, I know NUMEROUS teachers that ended up marrying former students.

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Post ID: @zwr+JuHyc2W

What were the rules, as far as curriculum goes? I was adjunct faculty, in science and physics, and also taught Problem Solving for a while. Full time faculty told me to do whatever I wanted, but don't get "caught." Supervisors and revolving curriculum directors at headquarters sent a slew of conflicting guidelines.

I found out early that trying to go through official channels meant nothing would happen without me putting in countless unpaid hours of paperwork -- basically, headquarters did not employ people who were knowledgable about curriculum, so trying to address changes with them meant trying to do their job for them, without getting paid!

I decided to approach my supervisor -- the associate dean, for gen ed faculty -- about making my own changes to curriculum, under academic freedom plea. He refusing to say anything that might incriminate him with corporate, in his response to me. Acted like he was a witness under oath in the ITT court of law with Modany presiding as judge, and his life was on the line. Creeped me out totally. He did finally send me a carefully worded email about bottom line being teaching objectives of the course, without altering exams.

So basically I went with the "don't get caught" approach, while sticking to course syllabus. I changed content of assignments, and cut and paste different questions into the exams. This got harder and harder as time went on, due to gradebooks being "pre-loaded" with assignment names, "onecourse" model, etc. That is when I stopped teaching first quarter Problem Solving class, because it was impossible for me to "fix it" without getting "caught." Raised a big red flag to my supervisor when my student evaluations were good, and students enjoyed my class, and students said they were learning something -- because previous instructors using canned curriculum were having many problems with their outcomes in comparison.

Eventually hit a brick wall, when I started teaching math classes. Realized the scope and sequence of math classes in gen-ed curriculum was so flawed, and lack of admission standards meant anyone was admitted, so it was impossible for me to "fix" the math classes. That is when I FINALLY realized the situation was hopeless, and turned my efforts to closing ITT-Tech down. Starting writing on this forum, filed complaints with regulatory bodies, etc.

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