Thread regarding MetLife Inc. layoffs

Troy, New York

1,400 positions (the entire building..all positions except hands on computer techs) in Troy, New York moving to Carey, NC. 1st round was notified last month. Employees are being told in 3 waves. Next wave will be informed in June and last wave in December. Then they'll have 6 months to complete the move. The people that were notified appeared to be completely random. 1 from this office, 2 from that office, none from that office, etc...supervisors can't even figure out the reasoning. Some were new, some have been there for 20 years. No rhyme or reason. Employees are very stressed just waiting and not being told anything else about the move. Will the jobs be kept? Will people be laid off?

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Any news?

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-3Ntaz

Did the June Troy wave occur?

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-2Imfd

Use of the word "move" or "moved" should NOT be misconstrued as meaning that the particular person who is currently holding a position is the same exact person who will still be holding that position after that position has been physically relocated.

The Nov 3 email announcement from Marty Lippert literally used the word "relocate":

Starting next year (2018), we will begin to relocate approximately 1,400 positions in the United States to sites including our MetLife campuses in Tampa, Florida and Cary, North Carolina.

For most of the positions that get relocated, it is expected that new outside people will very likely be put into those positions (yeah some of those people, perhaps even most of them, will be local to the city or state where the position has been relocated, but probably some of them will be from out-of-state).

It is also likely that some small number of existing MetLife employees will basically get to hang on to their current position after it has been relocated. There will probably be a few who are made and accept outright offers to relocate, and then some others who apply (reapply), interview, and receive and accept an offer.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-eqbv

1400 jobs are affected, not 1400 jobs are moving. Deals have been made with other states, that indicate that MetLife will be creating jobs for locals.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-dcag

The newspaper articles cites say 430 "new jobs" in Tampa. Presumably Tampa is paying incentives to get locals hired, not to move others down.

@RImKIdR-aqhk, do you believe that 1400 existing MetLife jobs will be moved to Tampa and to Cary, or that 1400 jobs will be affected, where affected could mean terminated and not moved and someone else hired in Tampa, Cary, or overseas?

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-bded

MetLife has nowhere near 1400 jobs in Troy / Rensselaer.

The 1400 is the total number of jobs (from multiple MetLife locations) that are getting moved to Cary AND Tampa. This was announced to people within MetLife GTO (IT and Operations) back on Nov 3 2017 via email followed up by multiple very brief teleconference announcement sessions also held on Nov 3.

Note that MetLife was not ready to announce this stuff on Nov 3 but they did so because they were essentially forced to. Multiple newspapers published articles about MetLife moving jobs to Tampa so MetLife had to tell its employees about this stuff on Nov 3. MetLife did not really want to tell its employees about this until after the holidays (i.e. Jan 2018).

News articles about jobs being moved:

(Nov 3 2017)

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/corporate/MetLife-to-add-430-jobs-at-expanded-Tampa-campus_162293040

(Nov 6 2017)

http://www.floridatrend.com/article/23380/metlife-to-expand-in-tampa-add-430-additional-high-wage-jobs-by-2019

Here is a news article from Oct 27 2017 about the third building:

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2017/10/27/metlife-reveals-new-details-about-hiring-plans-for.html

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-aqhk

MetLife senior leadership feels that everyone is replaceable. No one should ever feel secure with this company. Transparency is a lie, and the powers that be avoid the truth..... plausible deniability. If they would learn to roll-up their sleeves, provide direction, do the work, engage in the problem solving process, and lead their teams...... but that’s never gonna happen!

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-7bqh

I agree with the earlier poster that there are no guarantees you would get the invite to move to Cary (or wherever). You will have to interview for your position and it's an uncertainty if you will get the job.

I think some of it has to do with how old you are, how many years you have been with the company and just how badly they think they need you.

Also, there is an uncertainty if 1400 positions await (and I still question the 1400 number for Troy alone). 1200 may get the heave-ho with 200 available positions down south (I am making this number up... who knows how many will be down there?).

I hope you get what you want. However, if I were you I would already mobilize and start seeking Plans B, C and D. I wouldn't trust these people one bit.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-6wkw

There good information here. Mgtmt moving Troy & Summit to Cary & Tampa change IT culture & lower costs.

Longtime Met workers with real pensions costly compare to New Deli. Worse is mindset. Also silos are big problem built over years.

Mixed message from Met. Raise min wage to $15 & incr. pension contrib. But, CEO says 10% expense saving and will get somehow.

Met will be a different company when over.

Agree moving then losing job worse case.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-3ymi

With all due respect, have seen many MetLife jobs move from one state to another at MetLife and depending on whatever deals are made, a certain amount of jobs must be made available to people who already live in the town the jobs are moving to. So, it actually doesn’t matter if you want to go where your job goes, or that very few people want to move with their jobs. I know many who were told, thanks but no thanks, we aren’t moving you, I also know folks who uprooted their lives only to find out they didn’t have to move, or were moved only to get layed off anyway.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-3jxe

Thanks for the information. It's really appreciated. We just need to know something so we can make plans for the house and kids and schools. After talking to some more people in the office here, not many people here are willing to make the move. We are, so I'm hoping that my job is a bit more secure since so many people are not going to make the move, even if offered their same job. Thank you for the info. Please let us know if you hear anything else. It's greatly appreciated.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-2lrn

Transparency is SUCH a joke in this company and middle management is even a bigger joke.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-2xpy

The two existing buildings in Cary are supposedly at full capacity. I think that means 750-ish for each building for a total of 1500. Building #3 will be the same size as the other two. So, another 750.

Scranton is losing 50 or so to Cary this year. Other sites are losing people to Cary this year, too. If Troy were sending 1400 down there they'd be hanging out the windows. So that's why I think the 1400 figure for Troy alone is way too high.

I'd be curious to know what their plan is beyond the third building. Is there another plot of land in that corporate park for more expansion? If the plan is to relocate more IT jobs to Cary then they would have to have another site in mind. They'll be plum out of space in 2019.

As we learned from the November email, Tampa will be another site for IT jobs.

If history is any indicator, you're not going to find out anything about your job until the decision has already been made and someone taps you on the shoulder for a discreet conversation. Don't expect ANY 'transparency'. There will be NO heads up for you.

So, as upsetting as this may be for you (and I totally understand your feelings... it's upsetting for many people), you really can't sweat this out.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-2xnx

I thought the same thing. But supervisors up here are saying 1400 from Troy. I need to go through my email again. Someone needs to get their info straight. At this point I don't care how many are going, we just need more information on our jobs.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-1kcq

I think you have it wrong. I didn't think there were 1400 in Troy. There was an email last November about 1400 to Cary and Tampa. It would make sense that some/all in Troy may be part of an overall move down south but I doubt 1400 from Troy alone.

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Post ID: @RImKIdR-1hck

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