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H1B Abuse

Reminder: if you know or suspect that your employer is abusing H1B visas, you can drop a tip to ReportH1BAbuse @ uscis.dhs.gov

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Post ID: @WodwRCZ

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H1Bs who are sponsored by Nokia do NOT get paid any less then a full-time USA employee. They get paid the "prevailing wage". Look at the posts on the bulletin boards around Nokia. When Nokia applies for H1B sponsorship, they have to post it on the bulletin board where all employees can see and any employee within and outside of Nokia USA can apply for that job. However, the description and requirement of the job is so detailed (specific for that job) that they will not hire the USA employee because not all skill sets are met (and only met by the H1B person). Look at the prevailing wage. This is the minimum Nokia can pay the H1B visa person. Majority of the time, the H1B person gets paid higher then someone who has been working for Nokia/Alu fro 15+ years since the USA employee hasn't gotten a raise. The "prevailing wage" is determined by the surrounding area and what other company within that surrounding area pay their employees. So if you have several tech companies paying a software engineer $140K, then that becomes the "prevailing wage" and that's what the H1B visa gets paid. However you as an employee of Nokia working for 15+ year may be making $110K. It's better to be a person on H1B (at least if Nokia sponsors that H1B visa). But what happens is Nokia contracts out the jobs (like in Optical), and the contractors hire H1B visa people. The contractor then gets the $140K, and the H1B visa employee may only get $110K. Therefore, the contractor pockets $30K and H1B employee gets $110K. It all depends on if the H1B employee is directly sponsored by Nokia or a contractor. Either way, American jobs are being taken away and someone is still pocketing the money.

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Post ID: @WodwRCZ-4Cqca

abuse the H1Bs, who cares? They are taking American jobs. Americans should fill the jobs first and then if not enough americans who can fill the positions, then hire H1Bs. They hire the H1Bs and make them work like dogs as they fear for their jobs and think they will be deported. They should cut down on the number of H1B visas available like Trump is limiting the number of other visas for people to come into the US. Give talented Americans the first shot. Some may not like my post but this is America and we have to take care of our own first before bringing in foreign help. You only bring in outside help if local people are not avail, not pay H1Bs less and make them work more to put the fear of God into them that they might be sent back.

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Post ID: @WodwRCZ-4wkwv

BUT BUT BUT NOKIA IS SO ETHICAL!

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Post ID: @WodwRCZ-1grv

Here's the problem with that.. Most abusive employers I've worked for use the L1 visa system (intercompany transfer), which is entirely worse and has no quota or minimum pay requirements. When you call them out for H1B abuse, you've basically been tricked into attacking the wrong outlet. What you think is an H1B is most likely an L1, here's no place to report L1 abuse.

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Post ID: @WodwRCZ-uyu

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