Thread regarding Saudi Aramco layoffs

Lay offs in lieu of IPO?

A lot of rumors going around again in light of the Sabic deal recently.

I work in Aviation and have been dealing with privatization rumors for two years now. The impact it's had on me and my family has been quite stressful to say the least.

Unlike many expats we are quite grateful to be here, my wife enjoys the camp, my kids are loving their school. It has the feel of a close-knit neighborhood. Also, the locals have been genuinely kind to us in every matter. So again, I can't ask for anything more.

However, why can't anyone be honest? I sold my house, my car, the kids said goodbye to their friends, and my wife left her job so that I could begin a career at Saudi Aramco.

Ultimately, I have nothing bad to say about Aramco or the people but I really need to consider the future of my family. So if anyone has insight into what's going to happen to us towards the end of the year I would be sincerely thankful for that.

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Those old expats under the old plan? hahahaha

They’re paid a LOT more to put up with saudi BS than the new batch is.

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Post ID: @miyv+Yqx9yV4

Every time I see old expats passing their “just exist and bank all you can while you waste your life away accomplishing and learning nothing” advice I head to the corner shell station and grab a 6-pack to celebrate the freedom from that pointless existance. woot

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Post ID: @iaib+Yqx9yV4

Greetings,

15 year veteran. My advice, though not very specific, is hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

Then no matter the events you've done all that you can do for your family. Keep your situation

simple; make no large purchases or take on any debt. All things acquired in KSA will have to be

unwound before exiting. Bank your pay as much as possible.

In a nutshell....become comfortable with uncertainty.

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Post ID: @5viq+Yqx9yV4

JH contract was cancelled in Kuwait in 2012 due to “sending inexperienced staff” after only one year.

If JHAH users experienced the exact same thing when SAMSO switched to JHAH how is that bashing.

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Post ID: @4ksu+Yqx9yV4

The foggy and blurred lines between truth and bashing are very confusing and difficult to puzzle out.

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Post ID: @2lqt+Yqx9yV4

Thank you for the input. Yes, all of our helicopters are leased, and are phasing out the older models that are owned.

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Post ID: @2orf+Yqx9yV4

OK. I can tell you that any JV would take a long time to set up, so December seems way too soon for that to happen. A standard outsourcing would be faster, but still not the kind of thing that Aramco can do quite that quickly. In any case, you would likely be kept on as a regular employee for a year or two after that, if you wanted to stay. In one case that I know of, employees are being kept for five years.

Do you know if Aramco owns much of its fleet outright? I do know that some of the planes are leased, and if that is the case for most of the fleet, it would make outsourcing go a bit quicker, but I still think December sounds too soon. Remember, at Aramco, if the job takes two years, management will insist six on months, and then one year, and then 18 months, etc.

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Post ID: @2wgd+Yqx9yV4

True, there is quite a bit of dishonesty going around. They even had a "Saudi only" meeting at the beginning of the year to discuss the future so we were left in the dark.

I am just looking for an answer though, as was just said you won't find it from your Manager and I firmly believe that.

If anyone has any info that could spread some light about what's going to happen in Aviation I'd appreciate it.

Thank you.

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Post ID: @2kre+Yqx9yV4

I can’t count the number of “friendly” saudis who smiled in my face and pretended to not know anything about any layoffs or even what ELP meant when every single Saudi manager was actually a participant and knew all about it. The place to get lied to is not here, it is in your division head or manager’s office.

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Post ID: @1wsy+Yqx9yV4

Add: of course they were forced to choose the new (lower, after the family is uprooted and moved and trapped) contract or go home. Why lie about something so stupid?

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Post ID: @1vtw+Yqx9yV4

The place IS infested with company trolls who tend to add a little gold spray paint to the turds they leave here.

No OB, no pediatrician, no specialist of any kind who isn’t months out is not a first class medical organization and that was what we experienced our last two years. Add no dental or eye care and it’s a pretty poor replacement for SAMSO and certainly not up to par with any other civilized country.

I’m not SAMSO though, I was a customer. SAMSO probably has it a lot better now that they dont have to offer any services and have made it impossible to access the services they do offer.

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Post ID: @1iwe+Yqx9yV4

I appreciate your input. I do work in Aviation though, and nobody from management is addressing the issue at all.

Also, for those Aramcons that didn't change to the new contract wasn't there a stipulation for doing so?

I was told by a Saudi doctor that those who didn't switch were given an extension for 1-2 years and they wouldn't be allowed to join the contract once that extension expired. So basically, switch to the contract right when it was offered or don't and continue working for a few more years, followed by being terminated.

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Post ID: @1xms+Yqx9yV4

This is not the place to ask for honest advice my friend, these forums are infested with ex-employees who have an axe to grind with the company. I converted to JHAH (an example used here for bashing), no major change for me (except for 401k), JHAH is actually more functional now that before, patients are happier, care is better, management is as professional as they can be, in fact some docs did not convert to JHAH, not correct to say were "forced" to choose between JHAH or going home. So, my advice to you is to check with some real employees who are currently in Aviation department to get the real deal.

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Post ID: @1tuq+Yqx9yV4

I don't consider this place a dump, and I see great potential here actually. Many things are changing for the better and I've been fortunate enough to see it for myself. No country is perfect, including my own.

Ultimately, I'm simply looking for an answer as to whether or not Aramco Aviation will exist in its current form going forward. If not, what does that mean for permanent employees such as myself so that I can start looking at schools for the kids and my wife can begin looking for employment.

Again, I have nothing bad to say but I just expect a sense of professionalism in this matter.

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Post ID: @1pia+Yqx9yV4

SAMSO was spun off to JHAH. When they were, the Aramco employees were given new contracts to sign or else go. Those contracts were for much less salary and fewer benefits than the existing employees were making, forcing them to return back to their home countries. They were either not replaced or were replaced with less experienced (cheaper) staff and those of us who were forced to use JHAH saw a steep fall in the quality, availability, and timeliness of the medical care. One of the reasons we packed and left. Medical care is part of the deal. If you can’t meet or exceed quality at home you’re offering an inferior quality of life.

Is there an intention to implement any form of spinning off any area of Aramco Aviation to any third party entity which would then cause the employees to without warning have their salaries and benefits slashed?

Because if there is, the employees would like to know now and plan to return home because at least in the case of JHAH the new contracts were lower than the salaries in their home countries and there was no point, purpose, or benefit in working in what is otherwise a backwards third world dump at a lower salary (although we do understand why you have to trap “happy” people with your “final exit visa” and “wife/daughter/maid/driver border app” because they might accidentally escape, even though they are treated so well).

People who left their countries and uprooted their families in good faith deserve to know if this is intended in other areas of the business because when it is done the way SAMSO did it this stains Aramco’s reputation as an honest and upfront and competitive employer.

From here? We already know how slimy the Aramco management is and we already know Aramco does not give two ——s about their expat employees, but hey there are a few who still believe that you people can change. So answer the fckn question or not, but don’t pretend that you can’t “help” because you don’t understand what’s being talked about here.

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Post ID: @1cge+Yqx9yV4

Sorry for that. Again, we've heard various rumors for the last few years and the words I've heard were privatization and spin off. Nobody from management has ever addressed these rumors, or added any clarity to the matter.

I don't know exactly what that means for us as permanent employees but doesn't sound ideal.

I appreciate your help, thank you.

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Post ID: @1ipz+Yqx9yV4

Not sure what you mean by "privatizing"? Do you mean a joint venture like JHAH? A contract to run the fleet by a private company combined with an asset sale? I might be able to help a bit if you can be more specific.

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Post ID: @1hzk+Yqx9yV4

Sorry, I'm not looking for destiny here. Instead, I'm looking for someone professional enough to do the right thing and let us know what our division's intentions are.

If indeed they intend to spin off then let us know so that we can take care of our families. Perhaps my wife can begin looking for a job for example.

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Post ID: @1apj+Yqx9yV4

Nice people are nice to their inferiors. Those people are not good people. You’re welcome to all of it.

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Post ID: @1auy+Yqx9yV4

I am also an expat and share the same warm feelings towards the company. It is not fair to paint everyone with the same brush. There are decent departments with good people. No need to keep bashing things. As for layoffs, let things be and wherever destiny takes you is best for you. We do not know what is best to let us not stress about things beyond our control. In the meantime, enjoy things as they are

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