Thread regarding SAP layoffs

SAP can't get a single F1000 reference for S/4HANA.

S/4HANA was launched in 2015 with the biggest marketing campaign in enterprise software history.

The CEO called S/4HANA "The fastest growing product in SAP history".

Yet to date, not a single large SAP customer moved from ECC to S/4.

Not a single Fortune 100, 500, or even 1000 ECC customer has adopted S/4HANA.

SAP services teams have been working non-stop with half a dozen F1000 SAP customers for years. None of these pilots came to life. They all failed to move a single customer to S/4HANA.

SAP can't get a single F1000 reference for S/4HANA after 4 years of general availability.

The reason is HANA.

The complex re-platforming, code remediation, data migration, cost, risk, and lack of resources.

All of this because SAP decided to kick Oracle and IBM out of their accounts so they invented their own database for their own applications.

What's worse is that SAP's acquired applications still run on Oracle not HANA. SuccessFactors was acquired in 2011 and still runs on Oracle. The same applies to other SAP apps like Ariba, Concur, Fieldglass, and Hybris.

HANA was a bad bet.

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Post ID: @OP+YxKydsv

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One thing that has been less discussed than it should be is the immaturity of S/4HANA. Most of the companies that have attempted to implement S/4HANA have failed. https://www.brightworkresearch.com/saphana/2019/03/01/why-did-sap-fake-s-4hana-maturity-so-aggressively/

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Post ID: @3Pnnk+YxKydsv

Here's a downloadable list of 2018 Fortune 1000 companies produced by Fortune magazine.

https://www.someka.net/excel-template/fortune-1000-excel-list/

ZERO S/4HANA go live announcements. Nothing public anyway unless the customer and SAP agreed to keep the news a secret (no way).

This makes sense because most of the ECC functionality (manufacturing & distribution) is not yet available in S4. Also, the IS (industry solutions) used heavily by the bigger companies don't yet exist for S4. ECC has more than 4 million lines of code. This may change in the next 5-10 years but for now, S4 is still under construction.

This is not an opinion. These are facts you can verify by looking at S/4HANA GA modules.

Just take the time to do some research instead of attacking those who do.

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Post ID: @5eli+YxKydsv

so if customer moves from ECC on Oracle to ECC on HANA, is it also counted statistically as a S/4HANA customer?

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Post ID: @5ktu+YxKydsv

I guess as long as there is one application on HANA db, whether it is a HANA side car such as BPC on HANA, technically it is regarded by SAP as a S/4HANA customer.

Wow... makes me wonder now how many customers are on S/4 Core?

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Post ID: @5gzb+YxKydsv

Another made in America branding spin!

Diamler uses the old SRM on HANA DATABASE and iCertis! They rebrand SRM as part of S/4HANA as long as it uses HANA database.

Infra story! Where is the Ariba story? Where is the Suite story?!

https://customers.microsoft.com/en-us/story/daimler-manufacturing-azure

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Post ID: @5ggb+YxKydsv

http://www.saps4hanahub.com/i/661906-s4hana-customer-stories-oct-2018/

...lots of S/4HANA customer stories there.. Colgate/Palmolive, Daimler...

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Post ID: @5bud+YxKydsv

SAP, Oracle, Salesforce, Workday, Microsoft etc need to make money and sell their products / services.

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Brightwork also needs to make money and they sell their "research"......

Always keep in mind the money $$$$$ trail.

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Post ID: @4dks+YxKydsv

@4hbo @4oca @3gvr

Fact-checking marketing statements by large vendors is not a privilege for Brightwork mentioned above. Statements of vendors are just repeated by partners, media and other entities in financial relationship to those vendors. It is sad that this is widely accepted and that people who did not yet quit critical thinking are called "jackass", "hater" etc.

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Post ID: @4nrp+YxKydsv

The same jackass saying HANA is toast, a goner, blah blah is over on Oracle's site saying their db is toast, screwed etc etc.

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Post ID: @4oca+YxKydsv

Instead of each side accusing each other of fake news, why don’t check up on previous years SAPPHIRE and other events. Do we have any F1000 customers who have implemented S4HANA? Not just buy license or move to HANA db? Which customer can SAP quote as a lighthouse? Then you will know the answer.

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Post ID: @4bsy+YxKydsv

Are you Brightwork ?

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Post ID: @4hbo+YxKydsv

Hilarious.

No one from SAP can name a single Fortune 1000 live on S/4HANA.

This must be k--ling them.

The big customers just don't trust SAP.

Go ahead and pivot all over. Talk about Workday or the weather.

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Post ID: @4bdi+YxKydsv

Trolling with false negative information (and cherrypicking old info) on an SAP layoff board is a bit pathetic and just gives a great insight into what Oracle and Workday are about, and how SAP is different from them. Nice job, way to represent.

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Post ID: @4jeb+YxKydsv

At least it was made obvious now that people are fishing here for insider information. I wonder how much of the layoff talk here is made up as well.

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Post ID: @4zhi+YxKydsv

There is a SAP news 7 months ago about SAP being the first large company to test (!) SuccessFactors on HANA. No follow-up information about going live, no other success story about SF on HANA although SAP is eager to publish their successes.

https://news.sap.com/2018/09/sap-first-large-enterprise-sap-successfactors-employee-central-on-sap-hana/

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Post ID: @4wis+YxKydsv

Another uninformed statement, now sounding more like a troll from Workday. Yeah, they have really great PaaS there (eye roll)

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Post ID: @3gvr+YxKydsv

We use SuccessFactors in my company and it definitely runs on Oracle not HANA.

I learned from support engineers that SuccessFactors CTO and engineers are blocking any migration to HANA because they know it will be a disaster. The amount of code that would need to be re-written and the QA testing would take years and millions of dollars. Also, the multi-tenant support in HANA is almost non-existent and the HA/DR capability is entirely OS not DB based.

Most of all, there are no user benefits. SaaS users don't interact with the DB in any way. Just like Gmail users have no idea what DB Gmail or G-suite use. They know its a political move by SAP and they can't afford the cost and risk of losing customers. They have a hard time competing with Workday as it is.

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Post ID: @3pon+YxKydsv

People commenting here make me doubt they even work for SAP. SuccessFactors had hard deadline to move all systems off oracle and that deadline has passed and we have moved off oracle. Whether that is a good idea will remain to be seen, however, that is a different topic.

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Post ID: @2nqk+YxKydsv

Ah, I see the subtle backtrack...can run on Oracle is different than implying that it's all on Oracle or required to be on Oracle, when the reality is choosing to be no longer be on it...just like Amazon and other companies that no longer want to be tied to Oracle are ditching it. Yeah, go read what's publicly available rather than listening to the c-apola here. Take what stats are publicly available from a year ago on percentage or number of customers on HANA and maybe even prorate it forward a year in your head... Otherwise you're just doubling down on being wrong and looking like a clown.

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Post ID: @1rpn+YxKydsv

@1qrx and @jhw

Can you share a single announcement of a Fortune 100, 500, or even 1000 that's gone live on a single S/4HANA module?

SuccessFactors along with other SAP apps still run on Oracle because HANA multi-tenant doesn't support multi-region distributed replication or fail-over. MT was very recently introduced and needs years before it can support globally distributed data center production workloads. Go look at the documentation online or ask an SAP developer.

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Post ID: @1zub+YxKydsv

Just so you know, your comment about SAP apps such as Successfactors running 100% on HANA or Oracle is not accurate. See the tons of press that SAP is in process of moving some apps and modules. Criticizing the op should only be done if you have actually researched said topics re: DBs.

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Post ID: @1qrx+YxKydsv

If by success stories you mean tiny little new S4 system installs and staring over, I guess you are correct.

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Post ID: @fwz+YxKydsv

Hahaha...might want to stick to layoff info that helps people rather than BS. Plenty of S/4 HANA successes...many that are publicly available. Apps like SuccessFactors are on HANA not Oracle...sounds like you were laid off years ago...or never were a part of SAP...sounding more like an Oracle person.

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