Thread regarding Anthem Inc. layoffs

How far ahead are managers notified of upcoming layoffs?

Does anybody know how far ahead managers are notified of upcoming layoffs or are they only notified the day before or the day of?

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@ZkW4muT-bccz Wow that was brutal. But honest.

(Me thinking - "...after-the-fact justifications. Nice. ")

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-casb

Salary is the primary factor taken into consideration in the RIF's currently occurring at Anthem, simply because the end-goal of those actions is to save as much money as possible. Sadly, employee performance has much less to do with who is included in Anthem RIF's than does someone's salary, because an overall target savings goal for each RIF has to be met by management. The age of each associate also comes into play, primarily because many of the highest wage earners are also the oldest and most experienced among the Anthem staff, so they are selected for inclusion in one of the RIF actions. Anthem managers usually have some input into who is impacted, but there is very little time allowed for these decisions to be made. The final decisions are made at the Director and VP levels, and the HR paperwork to justify each RIF is only done after the fact to justify the decisions which have already been made, without regard as to whether the rating documentation about a given associate is correct or not.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-bccz

Back in the day, the director of an area would fill out a RIF form, it ranked skills, years with the company and a few other factors to rank the employees. In reality the RIF i was close and personal with many years ago, came down to a $ amount, The budget had to be cut by X dollars and people kept getting RIF'd until the amount had been reached. The form in the end meant nothing and was just window dressing like consideration had been given.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-9qcv

Anthem is an idiocracy. Managers have huge teams so they have no idea who does what and whether their employees deliver quality, are team players, etc. Managers only interact with few employees. Layoffs can be politically motivated or based on chance encounters. Scrum masters and team leads and product are not part of performance appraisals.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-4ctm

Survey for skill set perhaps. not pay. HR has all that info already. Some managers know others are told what to do.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-4gkq

Agreed. Money and I'd add age although they go out of their way to make you believe otherwise.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-3jix

@ZkW4muT-3vsj Thank you for that very candid and informative post.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-3ikq

From what I understand when they do layoffs the managers are given a survey to fill out on each one of their employees on their skill set, pay etc. this is forwarded to HR where they have some type of formula to decide who gets the pink slip. The managers definitely know in advance. When they did layoffs in one of my old departments our manager gave us 2 month warning it was coming.

I honestly believe that it all boils down to money. They don’t care what skill sets you possess. If you make $10 more than a person with lesser skills it’s going to be you, point blank period. All this company cares about is saving a dollar to fund high salaries/bonuses for executive level folks.

The rest of us at the bottom doing the work get the shaft. And we’re constantly living in fear from Thursday to Thursday if this is going to be the week where I’m handed the pink slip. It’s like waiting for a bomb to go off.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-3vsj

Managers are aware and are part of the process of working with HR.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-2zco

Who supplies the names of employees to be laid off?

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-1dwt

Which may explain some of the completely ludicrous decisions being made in this regard. Go far enough up the chain and they have absolutely no clue who does what, who is truly valuable or who may actually be expendable.

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Post ID: @ZkW4muT-rfw

My understanding is that they aren't notified. Typically they are just as surprised as we are.

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