Thread regarding University of Phoenix layoffs

Education is not enough...

"This belief system, which I have come to think of as “educationism,” is grounded in a familiar story about cause and effect..."

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/education-isnt-enough/590611/

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There are still conscientious employees at Phoenix. I am one of them. I have no illusions about what we do and how we do it; however, we do educate students. A student in my course leaves knowing more on the last day than they did on the first day. Is it a quality education? Define quality. Much of the criticism related to governance and enrollment is warranted. There is no question we should invest much more in students and instruction than we have and now do. It cannot be defended. I hope the reputation can be improved. Our academics were never intended to compete with elite private and public institutions. We were purposed as a viable (and accredited) alternative to students who could not attend one of those institutions but who needed or wanted more education and in many cases were first generation college students in their families. I use the same text books and resources and have the same syllabus as my local "elite" state university. There are differences such as seat time, amenities, and instructional investment; however, the level of individual academic support we give students, is at least as much as a traditional student receives. At my campus we provide tutoring and mentoring at no additional cost plus frequent no-cost workshops on topics like math and stats. Many students would have failed or dropped out without this support, especially if matriculated at a traditional institution (even community college) where there are few remedial resources and very limited direct one-one, face-face, support for marginal students. Comparing us with traditional institutions is unfair and continuous assault on our reputation is harmful to the thousands of students, faculty, administrators, and support staff who have conscientiously matriculated and worked at Phoenix. By now everyone knows the history and the issues, so write something positive about students and instructors who remain committed to student development and education.

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@ZvRIOAa-1vxj, I have been researching schools like UoPX for years and had the honor of talking to several people who did have a conscience. They were all forced out. Some got deals I imagine, but they probably signed NDAs to get a little justice.

The thing that may be different now is the University of Phoenix does not have deep pockets anymore. And they have to try to recruit from a smaller number of people who will take the bait.

It sounds like you are blaming the victims or looking closer at UoPX's marketing and enrollment strategies. The school often targets people who are vulnerable and uses emotional appeals to hook them. It didn't start that way. But out of greed and desperation, that's how it became.

"The problem: students do not fully understand the undertaking and have various levels of commitment to their goals."

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Post ID: @ZvRIOAa-2kpg

Dahn - you sound very jaded. Are you an employee? Or a past student who didn't understand the facts when you signed the dotted line? I used to be a student there well before I worked there. I left in January as I felt I was becoming stagnant - not because of "smoke and mirrors." Now, with the conversation structure provided for ACs, I could do it, and performed it within my abilities and understanding, but it seemed inappropriate to my relationships with my students; they could tell the difference as well. Employees at UoPX do have a conscience, the school provides a fantastic, applicable path to understanding various industries, and offers an ability to grow academically, and potentially professionally. The problem: students do not fully understand the undertaking and have various levels of commitment to their goals.

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Post ID: @ZvRIOAa-1vxj

Dahn you need to get a job or another hobby. Your obsession is consuming you in an unhealthy way.

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Post ID: @ZvRIOAa-1hgh

This really is a deadzone here. Even at the DeVry page there are some articulate people. Maybe they are former teachers though. Is there anyone left at UoPX who has a conscience? Or is everyone in this land of smoke and mirrors just going through the motions, drinking the last sip of koolaid? What's it like in Phoenix, or the ghost campuses across the US? Has anyone jumped ship to another predator, like Zovio or a student loan servicer?

https://www.thelayoff.com/devry

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