Thread regarding Windstream Corp. layoffs

Union Members

I am curious as to what power union reps have at the bargaining table within this bankruptcy come contract time. This seems now to be an ace for windstream in the future negotiations. Haven't heard anything out of CWA, you?

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If I could join the union I would, just for some protection from forced relocation or no notice job changes. That type of thing. That being said it does protect a lot of less than stellar techs. I cover a lot of territory and the areas with strong union presence are definitely the biggest pain in the butt to work. And if not the worst areas for customer experience, definitely not any better than non union areas.

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-5fgr

A Union is in place to help sorry people, This is so true, I have worked in companys that have a Union, If you support a Union you just are sorry and you s---

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-5kws

Hey @ZxXLMPJ-2oih

Just curious- what state are you in?

Others out there in other areas - is it like that where you are?

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-2shr

Depends on who you ask. Working in a union environment can be challenging. Repeats tend to be very high due to sorry workers that close out tickets without rolling trucks to customers. Supervisors are scared that a greviance will be filed so they are free to do as they please. Techs in union areas can care less about customers who pay are Bill's, numbers and goals that have to be met by the company. In my area we make more money off troubles than we do installs, wondering why we are in the situation we are in!!!! My town is full baby boomers that love the phone company, no matter if the tech shows up to the house and and promises the customer hell be back and never comes back while closing out the ticket with trouble on the line, or whenever it rains service is out for days which means wet cable that's been impacting customer for years, or customers taking off from work for an appointment that no techs ever show up to!!! In my area union techs take advantage of faking injuries. When its summer are winter techs fake injuries to get out of work while still carrying out their normal lives whether be working out at the gym, recreational sports on the weekends while the union leadership knows that the other union members are being screwed with heavier workloads!! Talking brotherhood ha, yea right!! Well I'm ending this sh-- storm because and go on all day about this topic all day.

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-2oih

Union contracts have been negotiated since the bankruptcy- business as usual in these negotiations. Yearly raises the same as negotiations that were ratified prior to the bankruptcy.

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-1yuc

The CWA general counsel is on the UCC. And yes, they are very limited on what they can discuss outside of filed court docs at this time. CWA also has a hired firm that is present in any and all court appearances by the company.

Per CWA counsel, we can and will continue to bargain in “good faith” with the company as contracts expire during this time, as well as the company honoring all collective bargaining agreements. The company’s labor relations have already sent, in writing, that they wouldn’t be going after any of the contracts as part of the bankruptcy.

But......any grievances or arbitration’s that result in back pay or compensation over the $5k allotted amount from the courts, would have to wait until the end of the bankruptcy to be paid. Same is true of any major contract changes that have a monetary increase that would exceed that amount, it would have to wait. But it would all be retroactive when it is paid.

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-1hsk

Under bankruptcy law, Windstream can reopen the contract now. They can reject it outright but only if the union fails to bargain in good faith. There are a lot of criteria they’d have to meet to establish “bad faith”.

Companies used bankruptcy to break union contracts until Congress changed the law about 20 years ago. You’d have to be a very clueless or obstinate union to fail the bad faith test (but I saw it happen - boy, those guys were both!)

The union has one of the 7 reps on the Unsecured Creditors Committee. That gives them some influence. It potentially gives them deep insight into thinking of the creditors (the company’s future owners) and the company’s real finances.

A lot depends on how much the negotiating and strategy people at the CWA are talking to the rep on the UCC. Is that guy a “real union guy” or a hired lawyer and/or accountant.

Someone posted earlier that their union rep said the people at the local were limited in the information the UCC rep was allowed to pass them. I suspect there are rules about this sort of thing.

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If I was in senior management and thought the CWA had embarrassing details about my operating performance it could pass on to creditors, I’d be wary of squeezing the union too hard.

Of course, if there was nothing bad to pass on, then I wouldn’t have to worry and I would focus on maximizing value for the company. Or, if there was embarrassing stuff but I wanted to my job right, I’d forge on anyway.

I guess it depends on the leaders and the circumstances — I wonder what will happen in this case?

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Post ID: @ZxXLMPJ-jdi

There are existing contracts in place not sure what you are talking about. Windstream is bound to the labor contracts other wise the slime balls would bail and hire 9.95 an hour lackey techs

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