Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

I couldn't agree more with this post! Our company uses Oracle Cloud and is now endeavoring (without my explicit approval) to implement their Learn module. To call it an LMS is blatant lying. It's at best a train wreck. And if taxonomy is a function of how you manage your learning content, give up now. There is no meaningful way to implement a taxonomical structure in the system that would correlate to a proper cataloging structure.

The system is a financial one endeavoring to become an LMS...akin to a crosswalk guard endeavoring to perform heart surgery. Stay away from Oracle Cloud...it is a regrettable system that costs too much and does too little.

This could be written every year. I’m laughing cause my managers don’t care about me and sadly I don’t care about our customers. Sales doesn’t either. They will sell customers anything. RIP Oracle.

this is a few years old now.... has much changed?

How true is this still?

This is indeed a classic.
Anything LE says should be taken with a CocaCola and Snickers bar.

Larry laughed at Cloud for years and once he changed hi mind it was too late to ever catch up. Look at all the iterations they have gone through - not to mention all the executives. Thomas Kurian is riding high at Google. Oracle had its heyday and Larry's ego led to its downfall.

It is funny that O just has limited rental space in datacentres built by others whilst the big players - AWS/MS/Google all are building whole datacenters like crazy.

It's worse than that. O is closing the two major data centers it actually owns, as it pushes all internal apps to OCI. Somehow they think renting space in someone else's dc is cheaper than using the space they already own.

This is still true even after all this time!

The most entertaining thread on this site! This should be pinned on every door in the C-Suite!

This is a dead man walking scenario....like Enron trying to desperately hide the truth.

Just found this post - explains a lot to me!!!!

The products I have tried are terrible - it is like going back to punch cards.

I pitty the poor sales people trying to sell such poor products... they must spend 90% of their time trying to figure out how to hide the flaws !

This!

https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Beyond-the-database-Digging-deeper-into-Oracles-cloud-strategy-and-its-bid-to-conquer-AWS

is telling.

River Island CIO Doug Gardner told Computer Weekly in 2018 that his team was an Oracle on-premise customer that had tried to use Oracle’s cloud infrastructure, but that “it was a joke, it was unbelievable”, prompting the company to switch allegiance to AWS.

Sporting Group’s CTO Peter Wallis says that despite the company’s original trading platform and data warehouse running off Oracle technologies, the tech giant’s cloud platform was not considered for inclusion in its own digital transformation plans.

The issue for some CIOs may not even be the technology, but just the way Oracle has worked over the years, with Wallis making reference to the firm’s licensing costs and the way it handles sales negotiations as being two reasons why Sporting Group decided against going deeper into its product portfolio.

This sentiment has been reflected by Oracle’s market share in the cloud infrastructure space: AWS reported revenue of nearly $9bn on IaaS alone in its most recent financial results, with many analysts suggesting it has about one-third of the market.

It can't get better. All the people at the top are doing is shuffling the chairs around. Real change requires a real in-depth look at what is dysfunctional. As more people abandon ship, it will get worse. Those people who knew certain areas will be gone, replaced by cheap new hires overseas or right out of college. It can't get better. Oracle is going down big time.

Nothing has changed since this post - if anything it is worse!

At the heart of the whole problem is severely corrupt and incompetent engineering. The only goal of managers is to move up the ladder and they are allowed to do this without doing any real work, just s— up and move up. Some of the ones I know, lied and said they had done work someone else had done.

You can't build anything with corrupt engineering.

We have had on so many occasions, services which are down but all the dashboards show green. No wonder Oracle have no public site you can check the status of their cloud services... they are down half the time and even Oracle don't know they are down!

but FMW will fix all of this, no?

It is funny that O just has limited rental space in datacentres built by others whilst the big players - AWS/MS/Google all are building whole datacenters like crazy. It is such small scale. They do get large margins on it though as the subscription prices are just so high.

The issue is that customers see something in a demo/powerpoints, they buy it assuming that it will work and if it does not then they can put the pressure on and get a refund. What they fail to understand is that the contracts all say that anything you saw in the demo, or read any RFP response, it is all forgotten about and void. Of course by that time some lawyer is reading over the contract and they have not been across the buying process and can't really comprehend this fact. Everything gets signed, the products don't work. Oracle blames user training and implementation partners.

The buyer then tries to make it seem not so bad as they don't want to loose their job for choosing rubbish software. Senior customer management gets confused as to whether the issue is due to the software being bad, the partner being bad, or their own staff being bad.

Oracle of course does not fix anything and the customer is left with very poor software. Customer is locked in. A few years later, the customer might try and get out, but it will be tough!

It is so amazing that this still takes place in this day and age.

It is like it was all built in the 90's

A lot of it WAS built in the 90's.... at least the c-ap I was working on was ADF. Don't know how much of that has changed since I left, but you can't take a bunch of ADF people and build a cutting edge software. Those people didn't know how to use ADF even.

My biggest problem with the Oracle cloud is the interface. If you are used to how fast normal websites work, it will seem just so slow. Every dropdown box you select it will take 10 seconds before the next one is populated. When you click on submit or next buttons, you will wait for 20 seconds. It is just very obvious to everyone how slow it is. Then you try and access on a mobile device - haha - no chance of it working for most products. It is like it was all built in the 90's and they just ordered some young off shore graduate who was a programmer to design and build the interface it in 2 days. That's what it feels like anyway!

Hopefully BI people or an@lysts have spotted it.

It's a shame that any company thinking of buying Oracle, will not see this. I expect they will get carefully pruned presentations saying that everything works perfectly and everything cloud application integrates seamlessly with every other cloud application.

They will pull the wool over the eyes of any prospective company, and I expect they will get away with it. LE and SC will walk away with lots of cash. They know how to cover up whatever they need to and spin whatever. They will get away with it.

I have been attempting to use a whole bunch of the Oracle cloud products and can testify that they are complete garbage. Almost nothing works properly. Support tries to just waste your time with the most basic things because they no clue why it does not work. Everything is so rudimentary compared with the competition. It is like the first year AWS was around. And it costs a fortune to boot! not to mention lock in!

They are laughing all the way to the bank

This post is magic!!! Well done OP you have highlighted exactly what the real situation is!

Pity the poor companies who are duped into this! haha

I also want to frame this post on the wall . I have shown a few colleagues and they all laugh. The OP should get a job writing for The Reg or other blog.

I wonder if even the creators of ADF back in the day are cringing that the tech is still living on. It is the equivalent of farmers still using plows and painting the horse to look like a tractor. O is a disaster. I pity anyone who has to implement this bug ridden pile of @

ex-Oracle here. OP is 100% correct. That's why I left. The most dysfunctional org I have ever worked at. The products are garbage - how they sell anything I don't know!!!!

Fusion never really caught up with EBS in a lot of categories. EBS had its weaknesses, but it was reliable and was good enough for most of our customers. I don't have a single customer on Fusion who is happy. It just doesn't work. I lose credibility with customers who try it.

+53 as of today.... LOL.... Oracle is dying and everyone knows it.

But we are a LEADER in the MAGIC QUADRANT!

Sometimes I think the customers see all this c-ap, but assume that Oracle working on making it better. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

I wish sometimes that customers could see what is truly going in within engineering, then they would flee immediately, knowing there is not going to be any improvement in the future.

I love this thread also. I would say it is worse than the OP makes out - you would know this if you worked in Oracle itself. What I would add is that often sales shows just screenshot as they are so nervous if anything will work or not. The pretty diagrams /charts and promises all look impressive but it complete vapourware.

I have had instances where a customer has requested help with a basic integration between Oracle cloud products and it simply is not possible. The SaaS stuff is so unconfigurable it is a joke - it's like you are buying software from high school kids.

If we ever have a major data centre outage we are history!

Oracle Fusion Cloud lags Oracle EBS in functionality and requires standard configuration with no or little customization. But EBS customers only want new features, retain old flow, and control their own destiny. Conflict!

This is a great post. The truth is out there, the customers see it every day. That's why Oracle is doomed.

I wish I could print this post out and discuss it in our next team meeting!!! lol It is so spot on. Our cloud products are c-ap and we all know it. Its just a pay check now. We will never get out of this mess!

@10kWw3yM-Enld you are totally correct, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't even work here.

Customers are suffering, engineers are suffering, managers are suffering. The Stooges don't care, it's all about the stock prices. Sadly, those of us grunts in the trenches have to deal with the customer's pain, knowing we can't help them, because along with the shareholders that are investing in Oracle stock for income, we depend on these clowns for our income too, which is ultimately paid by the customers.

Who is the biggest loser from the Stooges here; the customer, employee or the shareholder?

This is such a great post that I may frame it in my home office to review daily whilst pulling out my hair. To your point about Support, if you knew the number of tickets that each Engineer has assigned, it would boggle your mind. There are simply not enough hours in a day to give the needed attention. Couple that with OWCs, and management, sales, CSMs, etc up your ***, those who scream the loudest get the attention. Seems unsustainable, yet nothing changes. Same could be said for Dev and the number of bugs assigned to them, so many of which aren’t bugs and Support should resolve. We keep blaming partners and customers for not knowing the software, but we really know there are major issues (documented in this thread) that need to be addressed. But what’s a customer going to do? Not renew in a few years and go through this again with a Workday or SAP? Yeah right. That’s the bluff we’re calling.

All I can say is that if you want to integrate any other system with the SaaS applications be VERY VERY wary of the licensing… before you know it they will want to count every user of the system you have integrated with! You will then need gold bars to pay for it all LOL

I wish the OP would write for a tech website - this is spot on 100% correct. The Big O has been caught with their pants around their ankles. In the team I work for, it is so dysfunctional it feels like a bad movie. The Oracle cloud is built on a foundation of sand with little possibility of that changing without starting from scratch.

I have worked at O for a very long time and pretty much agree with the OP on this. We simply were caught asleep at the wheel and are scrambling to do something about it. It is too little too late. Senior management of course know how bad it is but cannot let on to the market. Only thing really going for us is deep pockets and still fairly good revenue streams from old on-prem support contracts which will last many years. Time is ticking though!

I think the customers believe what they are told because they believe that if they are lied to they could take legal action against the company.

The reality is, that taking legal action is expensive and time-consuming. Detailing each and every thing is difficult, knowing that there most likely would be people lying on the other side at Oracle. Most likely they are also not recording what they are told, which is probably something customers should start doing and even if they did record anything, most likely the "lies" are carefully crafted to give the customer the impression of something, rather than tell them an exact answer.

It's sad that the products are so bad that lying is the only way to sell them. The customers are learning though that Oracle is a corrupt company and in the end that will be what drives Oracle into its grave.