If you do not get vaxed or get approved for an exemption, you will be out of a job. What are your plans for life after Ford?
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You bring up a interested point.
If you get suspended for 30 days w/o pay, what about your medical co-pays? Are you in the rears for that month? Does this affect the bonus if there is one in 2023? How does it impact pensions if you have one? What about all the other deductions an employee may have taken out of their paycheck, ie child support, car payments, house and auto insurance.
Next up. A 50% paycut and elimination of all benefits for all salaried employees. Except LL5 and above.
Cutting pay surely would get more people to take one of the 3 vaccines, but I believe the right thing to do would be suspension of all personal and dependent health bennies. I think this is going to be policy during the 30 day unpaid leave. If not, Ford please consider this.
Afterall, covid mandates are all about everyone's health. If you cannot get on board, you should not be able to get anything health related paid for by the company.
I sure hope Ford benefit personnel are paying attention.
If you won't even go along with the vaccination requirement, why are you staying? You're not going to have a long-term job at Ford anymore and if you do manage to get 30 years in, no healthcare upon retirement. All large corporations are going to have to go along with the rule. Go work at a small shop and hope you don't have to travel outside of the country because you can't.
Instead of firing, why can't Ford just dock 50% pay or something for the unvaccinated? That way can still get work done from that employee and get the work done at a discount.
Of course it's still not at India or Mexico rates, but at least it's work done by experienced workers.
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Really a "load of cr_p"?
Please tell me, is your name on the building? Are you sitting in one of the directory' chairs? What position of broad powers and decision making abilities do you hold in the company?
The Supreme court settled this along time ago. It has been upheld in lower courts across the US for years. The federal government mandated companies over 100 people must get vaccinated.
This has nothing to do about the contract or the struggles of the past. Stop the emotional nonsense and stick with the facts of the matter.
Again, if you are a salaried Ford employee and you don't like the policy you are free to quit. I promise, Ford will not seek you out for vengeful retribution if you quit.
Ford is complying with federal law. You don't like it get the laws changed.
Stop acting like petulant children!
@1leg+1dTZVzS0 "If you are not the person who owns the company you don't call the shots."
Wow! What a load of cr-p! It seems you forgot all the struggles from the workers and unions in the past to get decent treatment from owners. There are laws restricting the power of owners over workers. The person(s) who own(s) the company can take financial and business decisions, but cannot force employees to do more than what the contract stipulates, and if the contract contains provisions against the laws, the contract is deemed void.
You show me where in the contract says we have to be vaccinated, and we'll talk. The vaccine mandate is an overreach from this government, probably because there are plenty of sheeple like you that easy manipulated. Why don't you go to one of those government sites to show your adoration to the "Supreme Leader" and let grown ups talk?
Post ID: @2qxb+1dTZVzS0
True but the precedence was set for states to mandate vaccines as they see fit, including the exemptions. The type of exemptions was was left to the individual states to decide on. This meant the state could mandate everyone or just certain parts of the population for vaccines.
In 1922, ZUCHT v. KING, the Supreme court ruled again that San Antonio had the right to mandate vaccines for school children
In this case the Supreme Court stated "that it is within the police power of a state to provide for compulsory vaccination".
There are also many more court cases that didn't make it up to the Supreme Court level that ruled states have the right to mandate vaccines.
The subject of mandatory vaccines actually goes back to the early 1800's when Massachusetts began small pox vaccinations for children.
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People are quick to point to this ruling, but they also conveniently forgot the other part of it. If you wanted to avoid the shot in those days, you had the legal authority to pay a five ($5) fine to avoid it.
The world is always full of convenient half truths. Learn their laws and use them against them for ones protection.
And STILL no information about the status of hourly and salaried employees not part of the “ most “.
The mushroom treatment Gordie Howe perfectly described…
Post ID: @1leg+1dTZVzS0
You really couldn't come up with anything else accepted false equivalence?
Agree or not Covid is considered to be a pandemic by the US heath agencies which causing numerous casualties and impacting production at all levels.
There are laws in place to mandate vaccines which have been upheld by the Supreme court numerous times since the first 1905 (Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11, 39 ).
When organ donations reach this level of applied legal scrutiny your point may become valid.
Post ID: @1leg+1dTZVzS0
By that logic, if I was your employer, and I mandated you offer your kidneys, you must comply else risk job elimination.
Trust the science, because I, as your employer, stated so. If they can tell you what to put into your body, try to tell me they can't mandate what to pull "out" of your body. Organ harvesting is big business, much bigger than the automotive field. What, are you racists? Just trust the science.
Cry, scream, stamp your feet or stroke out because you are sooooo angry.
It is pretty simple actually.
If you are not the person who owns the company you don't call the shots. pun intended. Your opinions and feelings don't matter, here is a virtual tissue. sniffle. sniffle.
Either follow the directive or look for a new job.
Maybe start your own company and require that all your employees will not be vaccinated or they will be terminated.
It is really that simple.
Remember, "leaders" need sheep.
"Are you really ok with losing your Ford job over the vaccine?"
Well, maybe is time for me to finally start my own business (again). Perhaps is for the best: no more cr@p, no more woke meetings, no more ignorant brown nose managers, no more credit stealing.
I am OK with losing my job for any "normal" reason, the same way the company has to be OK with me leaving. However, I am not OK with losing my job over a POTUS mandate, and even less OK with the threats of not getting Unemployment.
I was worried with the OSHA mandate because it would limit the possible places to search for work. Now, with the mandate halted, I am just going to say that I had a good job before coming to Ford, and I am certain I will have another one after Ford.
BTW, it just happens I have emergency funds, and according to my calculations, they should last for 6 months. That should be plenty of time to find a good job in this economy.
I think companies want the mandates. Free vaccines are don't ding a company's healthcare costs like a month on a ventilator. If you think it is about politics or freedom, you are wrong. It is about money. You think SRD was a way to save on pension costs? Vaccination is a way to save on healthcare.
I am not even sure the issue is completely about a vaccine. Its about a clearly gutless and leaderless company that apparently takes orders from the far left and wants every liberal destructive policy anyone dreams up to be on a poster at Ford for the good of self virtue.
Yes, I only grace Ford with my skill and talent in exchange for their paycheck. I make more on the side doing my own thing. Only now, I'll just do my own thing without their threats.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by (Ford retirement 2020),
And that has made all the difference.
This is a silly question only someone with no marketable skills would ask. The OSHA mandate is done the only one at play if the fed contractor mandate. With that i am more comfortable losing my job over this i can find another with my unvaccinated status.
If osha mandate is at play my options were self employment or career change now my options are much more open and i absolutely despise the federal government anyway.
But hey i am sure your scared of life without ford. I will clue you in the auto industry always cycles through mass layoffs so its Always a good idea to see what other work is put there and keep your resume up to date.
Oh glorious vaccine lol what a joke the past almost 2 years has been.
When people give up all those good paying jobs and are no longer paying as much income tax I wonder how the drop in the government tithe will be made up.
They have already floated the idea of eliminating private banking. Maybe they will meter it out to you when they think you’re spending too much or buying the wrong product. Or if you have too much , they will distribute some to lesser accounts , all in the name of equity.
It’s for the good of society after all …
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@lfw+1dTZVzS0
I know some posts are just trolling. None of them p**s me off. Most of them are from people who don’t even work here.
But there are a lot of mindless followers out there that got us to this point.
“You know how people at the company are losing jobs left right and center.”
Unemployment , just another thing the vaccine does nothing to protect against.
“nothing should be more important to you than a job at Ford”
People who think like this really need to check into a mental health clinic.
Some things are more important than a paycheck.
I don’t think anyone is “OK” with losing their job, especially like this. It just won’t affect some of us as much as it does others.
I respect the younger people who take a stand. One thing I’ve noticed about some of the “kids” after interacting more with them is that they aren’t hesitant to pack up and go somewhere else even if it means relocating in a different part of the country.
Really? First , the 5th Circuit court might have something to say about this ; oh, wait, they already permanently blocked the OShA vaccine safety rule mandate from being enforced until all the other states lawsuits regarding the vaccine mandate are settled- that is just starting to get kicked off, and will take weeks to months to resolve. Ford could do another involuntary sweep of getting rid of people faster than these lawsuits are going to be settled - they just were hoping to avoid the severance pay payouts.
So, in the short term only thing Ford has done is once again pi-s off more employees for no go reason, because GM nor the old Chrysler now what’s it called name again didn’t go that far. Nope, short on leadership is this new version of Ford - they are literally better off selling the company at this point, and no one with half s as brain still working there will ever quite believe all this god awful family cr-p they keep trying to shove down employees throats. As for me, one way or anther it will be my last - good riddance to bad rubbish.
The two at the top don’t have the guts to have anyone really “ challenge” or “ disrupt” anything , nor do they want either to happen
It’s like the entire Company philosophy is created by the advertising department.
Look , I get it. Their direct reports have nice jobs and don’t want to make waves. Just once I’d like one of them to go Howard Beale in that famous moment
Seems like half the work here is TVM. They might just as well fire half of us and go full Earl Muntz
I really do hope our “ leadership team” does monitor what’s written on The Layoff. Not that they will care but they will see what kind of employees they may lose. Just as importantly, the attitudes of employees they are keeping. As long as they have the bottom feeders giving thumbs up on the home page articles all is well.
This is what the Pulse Survey will never be, honest feedback
It's no secret that alienating half of your workforce is a horrible business decision.
It's no secret that calling out the bulls**t and posting how these corporations won't effect their lives, showcases real world situations. At the end of the day, corporations don't exist without "talented" individuals. These automakers, they can't hire fence hoppers, and visas to complete their goals.
EVs and AVs are dead when 50% of the company staff is removed. The globalists, and their wet dreams, won't even allow that. That is their pet prize.
Why are people even responding to this Freepress shill?
Kudos to those who have posted the replies I’ve seen as I post this. Mine was in another thread so I won’t cross post
We are the people Ford needs the most yet also detests the most.
Make more trading swings in the stock market, than Ford pays.
They have nothing over my head. Zero, ziltch, nada. My brain drain doesn't exist with me leaving their employ. Nor does my income.
Both the carrot, or the stick, in this bulls**t mandate, has zero effect is some peoples lives.
I’m not afraid of change. I’m more afraid of betraying my values. If this is the kind of company Ford wants to be, then I’m happy to leave Ford behind.
I am at peace in fighting to have the right to choose of what goes into my body. I was more than willing to do the testing, even though I work from home 100% of the time. Was willing to follow the testing charade, but we all know what this mandate comes to. Biden forcing the OEM's to enforce this mandate and in return promises of funding for EV's. My plans? I'm going to have a Merry Christmas, relax and enjoy not having to worry anymore. Eventually look for a job, and find other opportunities. An engineer with 15 years at Ford and overall good reviews. At the end of the day, I know the Lord will take care.
Saw this coming two years ago and prepared accordingly. Many avenues in place outside of a "job". But, here's the ironic kicker. Restructured debt to align with the lowliest of low jobs these days, paying $17-$20 per hour. You know, the new minimum wage due to lack of people in the market. Soon to be $25-$30. I won't just resign, they'll have to fire me for documentation purposes.
Not every job is going to mandate. They have zero over many peoples' head. Can either Galt it, keep with my businesses on the side, or just fill my time with a minimal wage job to cover the debts, and put food on the table. Everyone is wealthy via their 401k, which is instantly distributed upon firing, and can live off it for years or decades.
For lack of a better term, some people give zero f**ks. We don't need to be a wh--e for their paychecks. It must suck, if you haven't prepared accordingly. Or planned accordingly. Or have no back up plan. That must be very stressful.
So yes, I'm very much willing to depart from Ford. Actually, I'm hopefully this occurs. Unfortunately I think it's going to be ruled unconstitutional, and this whole mandate will be abandoned. Then, we'll still be stuck here. Isn't that also some ironic s**t?
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