Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Some good news

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/politics/trump-h1b-work-visas.html

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The limitation of H1B only accelerates the offshoring of jobs to other countries. It’s totally counterproductive. At least the H1Bs are in the US and their presence helps the long term viability of Us sites. As their numbers are limited, more jobs will be shifted out of the country.

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Post ID: @atmw+15B93vWf

Biden is for enforcing the existing H1B visa laws:

Q: What would you do as president: Expand H1-B visas or scale them back?
A: I have been working with this for a long time, as former chairman of the Judiciary Committee. That’s where it comes out of. We have it about right now, except that the employers aren’t doing their part. They’ve got to offer the job. If there’s an American there who will take the job, they can’t undercut it by hiring an Indian engineer who will work for less; that’s illegal. We’re not enforcing it.

from: https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Joe_Biden_Immigration.htm

Will Trump just create some other laws that won't be enforced? With no enforcement, there is nothing.

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Post ID: @gen+15B93vWf

I thought this wasn't a political site.....

My political posts always get taken down.

Don't think for a minute that anything real is going to change with H1Bs. Companies are run by the super-wealthy and their primary goal is to make more money for themselves. They don't care where the workers come from, as long as they are cheap.

Trump is part of the super-wealthy. He gave huge tax cuts to his friends, has a corrupt attorney general to get his criminal friends out of jail and to reward any wealthy person that Trump thinks he can use to get re-elected. Trump isn't going to screw over his wealthy donor friends by helping the little guy out. Any change in H1Bs will be temporary or fake, just like trump.

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Post ID: @rwd+15B93vWf

What's a way that big tech companies like Oracle and Amazon commit visa fraud? The law says that when a H1B visa comes due for renewal, a job posting for the position must be made publically, and if a qualified American citizen applies for it, they must be hired instead of the H1B visa holder, and the visa is not renewed. Oracle and other tech companies get around this by posting the job ads in places that are technically "public," but nowhere a real job candidate would ever find them, such as in the classifieds section of obscure industry journals like the International Journal of Human-Computer Interaction. Or, as Amazon does, in the classifieds of the printed version of the Seattle Times Sunday edition. Seattle Times' printed classifieds are full of job ads from Amazon and other tech companies. The catch is that to apply for them, you have to mail in a printed application to a P.O. box. Does anyone seriously believe there's a person somewhere opening envelopes and reviewing printed resumes that landed in a P.O. box like it's still 1972? Of course not. This is simply a way to make it impossible for qualified American citizens to apply for one of these jobs already held by an H1B visa holder, because the company has no intention of giving up that visa. Or, they will instruct a manager to print out a job posting and discreetly post it on a company bulletin board in a break room, right next to the government notices about minimum wage that nobody reads.

Berry Appelman & Leiden LLP is Oracle's preferred law firm for H1B visa processing, and these are some of the ways in which they ensure H1Bs are not replaced by qualified American citizens.

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Replying to @yrj+15B93vWf

  • "I'm sure Biden will help H1B workers if he becomes president." —

Any candidate running for president will. Biden will. Trump will. Candidate-x will. Neither one actually cares about workers. As a politician, they care about winning votes and they care about profit. It's as simple as that. After the election cycle, the president (Biden or Trump) will do what they've always done. Don't base your vote on this issue. Neither candidate cares about workers. They care about winning votes and they care about profit. They don't care about you or your job. They care about winning your vote and they care about increasing profits, and they'll do anything and say anything to help them achieve those goals.

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Post ID: @qce+15B93vWf

I'm sure Biden will help H1B workers if he becomes president.

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Post ID: @yrj+15B93vWf

This amounts to nothing more than politicians trying to win votes. After the US election in the fall, foreign-work-visas will resume being issued, just as normal, and US-citizens will continue to lose jobs, as normal. That's just how capitalism works, especially in the US. One of the characteristics of capitalism is that it seeks-out lower-cost inputs (including workers). What we've seen in the US and other countries, for decades, is nearly unfettered capitalism. Don't get me wrong, capitalism is the best economic system the world has. Part of why capitalism is great is because it seeks-out lower-cost inputs. This all about votes. Politicians need to win votes. One party or the other might claim (emphasis on the word CLAIM) to be tough on foreign-work-visas. These are all just tactics to win votes during an election cycle. Then after the election, it's back to business-as-usual, seeking lower-cost inputs. Make no mistake. Neither political party in the US cares about workers, foreign-visa-workers or US-citizen-workers. They don't care about workers – citizens or foreign. They care about profit. That's just how capitalism works. Don't be fooled. Politicians, regardless of their color (red, blue, green, or orange) will CLAIM to be tough on foreign-work-visas, but the fact is that the vast majority of them care about ONE thing: Profit. Foreign-work-visas mean lower-cost inputs which in-turn increases profit. There's nothing new here. Politicians will promise to protect your job in order to get your vote, then after the election, it's back to business-as-usual.

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Post ID: @qgl+15B93vWf

Finally...

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