Rumor has it tomorrow 6/30/2020 will be some substantial layoffs. It's the end of the fiscal year and it is in keeping with Carlos' statement to expect more in the June/July time-frame.
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Hey @gjsd+15H6ruOl. Furloughed employees can claim unemployment and could have gotten the extra $600.
Wow! How unfortunate. Just at the end of the Federal Unemployment’s extra $600 per week ($2400/month) for those let go earlier.
Surely ADP’s Execs didn’t realize how their delay of lay-off benefited their year-end #’s, but robbed their furloughed/laid off EE’s of the max they could’ve received while looking for better opportunity. How unfortunate.
“Teams were cut before their work is ready to be handed over or ended, leaving teams with a handful of people to do the work of many.”
@2ipt+15H6ruOl-perhaps it is the protection of FMLA and not just the condition of pregnancy. There are guidelines under FMLA status which protects an employee while under doctor’s care. It is protection necessary because this group has been discriminated against because of their. condition. Don’t like this employment law, VOTE.
I’m going to ignore the racist comment below me, but wow, nice carefully crafted tone deaf PR statement. I hope you got paid to write that it’s the workers fault they got laid off because of their skill set. Implementation and Sales weren’t the only departments hit so that point isn’t relevant.
I would argue that the business needs to answer to clients and not stockholders. Good luck explaining to them that we don’t have the support staff for their request because investors want a greater return on investment.
According to ADP the US just added almost three million jobs for May and 2.4 million for June.... but you’re saying the economy is bad. Well which is it?
ADP is in the position it’s in because leadership has no tangible plan for the company other than PR speak to please investors and some vague desire to be a technology company. Unfortunately, those in charge are not aware how anything they want to implement actually works and care more about the bottom line than client retention or supporting ‘legacy’ product. Legacy product that that most of your client base is on, is not legacy. Just because you don’t want to pay to support it anymore does not mean it’s dead.
Teams were cut before their work is ready to be handed over or ended, leaving teams with a handful of people to do the work of many. Plenty of those teams are still dealing with workload issues from the last couple reductions and reorganizations. This is just going to further lower the employee retention rate. I know plenty of employees down in the Norfolk, Virginia office who have said their office has been part of every reduction in force.
That office is what, 4 years old? How can you have faith in a company that doesn’t know what they’re doing four years out? Why are we hiring and laying off for GPT and consultant roles in a BRAND NEW office?
It’s hard to ‘figure out where ADP is going’ when they don’t know themselves. You’re boomer is showing. Next you’re going to tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
From the moment the email went out regarding the 500 furlough and 500 layoffs I knew it would be the end for those who were furloughed. ADP just didn't want more layoffs on the books in the fiscal year 2020. If you are no longer working for ADP you should be overjoyed as you will now move onto company that actually likes you. I know you have been thinking about it!
The boomer comment makes me laugh when more than half the people I know who got laid off were high-skill millennials in GPT
ADP over-invested in it’s employees for years and is leveraging cheap labor in India to shore up the bottom-line to stave off investors. Unfortunately, ADP isn’t interested in seriously investing at all in their India associates and will provide them with little support and inadequate training.
Good luck to their clients in a few years when they’re all talking to chat bots and poorly trained offshore workers. Maybe then leadership will realize that it’s problematic to try to run the company like a Silicon Valley startup.
ADP has been on the cheap offshore labor band wagon for 20 years. In 2018 after the takeover attempt they went all in on saving $ driving out higher paid tenured workers with early retirement packages. Now they have a taste for that kind of savings. Easier to just lay people off now. They will keep squeezing blood from the stone until it’s done and then the execs will take their golden parachutes and leave the mess to the next s—er. It’s a long way from the days of the early CEOs.
Layoffs were not all COVID related.
No anger or rage here, just truth: Based on skills, I have not seen a single H1B Visa employee that I would hire in my company. Not to say there may not be some, but those I have seen at ADP have been pretty mediocre/low skill employees. I can't comment on what ADP is paying them, but I surely hope they understand that the skills of the H1B employees are largely not meeting the real skill needs of the company.
I can assure you many/most of the highly compensated people who have been laid off were extremely qualified for their roles. In fact, I can say I know of many that were by far the best employees in the entire company yet they were targeted because they were payed more because they were more qualified, effective, and productive. Get your facts straight.
H1B visas has to pay the going rate. I’ve processed these in the past and all that documentation must be submitted to government. How about you go get the required qualifications for a job instead of b–ching.
Offshoring the jobs is a total different issue
The whole H1B "couldn't find a qualified US person" is a joke. Everyone knows it is. They literally have positions officially designated as "find a a cheap Indian to do this".
ADP uses mostly offshored workers in India. When I was there, ADP had offices in Pune, India and others. So the workers there are just "ADP employees" like in Canada and other first-world countries. That gets around the "outsourcing" issue, even though it still is.
Seems like people don’t understand H1B visa
- People on H1B don’t live in India. The visa is so the can live in the US And work in the US
- The job is posted for EVERYONE to apply. For the job to be filled with a person on a H1B visa company must prove the could not find a qualified American
- They’re not cheap! So ADP is not doing it for sh–s and giggles
- H1B visas are not just for India
Was let go from GPT too, 4 years. 2 people on my team live/work from India. I have over 20 years IT experience, cant tell me for 1 sec they need these H1B visas cause they cant find Americans. Has to be something we can do. How is it H1B are not 1st to go?? Even if they say those jobs are just temps for "project" work that is a lie cause there is ALWAYS work to do and they will always use the H1B labor to fill it. 2 weeks per year starting end of July. Some help with Cobra.. I Agree ADP is transitioning to more non-american labor, more H1B's which in an election year maybe we can get some attention on?
There were more layoffs yesterday indeed! For months now leadership had us updating process documentations, thinking we were only updating old documents and/or creating new docs/SOPs for new processes we’ve gained over the years. To our surprise, we were actually updating and creating process documents for our “business partners” in India. Yes, we created and verified our documentation and SOPs for our job duty/role just so leadership could give our jobs to the folks in India, then fired us. Murica
Most of the cuts on the 30th were reduction in force due to COVID. Been there over 10 years. Majority of those previously on furlough had their position eliminated too. RPO group but could have been others too. I was one of them.
Laid off today too, RPO side. :(
Where are the Indian layoffs?
Yup. Just got laid off today as well. RPO. Went to the job board to see what I could apply for. 4-5 New VP positions are open. Wtf?
ADP Employee Lives Matter!!!!
I worked there 32 years and took the early retirement. The first 15 years were awesome and then it started going sour. I still have friends working there and the way they disrespect people and over work them is an outrage. My advice is work your 8 hours a day and then sign off and enjoy your life. Whatever doesn't get done in 8 hours will have to wait. ADP does not give a c-ap about their employees at all. I pray daily that ADP will see the evil of their ways and embrace their employees. I also pray for the employees as they endure this awful treatment.
Back to the "pregnancy defense"... the idea that you should not be laid off BECAUSE you are pregnant is offensive to me. Maybe everyone thinks they should not be laid off because of ___fill in the blank___ (black, white, old, young, male, female, straight, g–, whatever). To think you are "special" because you are pregnant is ridiculous. I know that hurts, but suggesting that everyone else who has suffered a layoff at the hands of this terrible management team isn't suffering and only you are is completely narcissistic.
Truth is ADP does not care about you, or it's employees, or it's clients, or anyone except the few top execs. Most people who have been laid off did not deserve to be laid off. ADP just exploited people for short terms book cooking.
I am the one who said to stay strong and alert. Unfortunately, I don't have any specifics. I just knew from the pattern of past layoffs that more were coming today. I was proved right, though for the sake of the newly laid off people, it would have been great to have been wrong.
The plan is for employees who have been paid decent wages for the last 10 or more years to be laid off and be replaced by far cheaper workers, including offshored workers, working as cheap as possible. For those people who are eligible for an ADP pension (it was eliminated in 2015 for newly hired workers), they also have a target on their back for elimination. Also, work from home workers are targeted since ADP wants its workers working from offices, not from home.
But other, younger workers with not much time at the company could also be eliminated by the capricious ADP. Certainly anyone and everyone is eligible and not only limited to "overpaid", old, pension vested, and WFH employees. Equal opportunity for all. Certainly bad for morale with those neverending layoffs, but ADP doesn't care. Perhaps it thinks that scared employees make for productive employees. Disgusting.
Serious question: Has anyone seen ANY Indian being laid off as part of the mass layoffs in the past few years? I am extremely curious to hear of anyone for a potential discrimination lawsuit.
@1dsi+15H6ruOl I heard a lot were in the RPO space.
Yes, severance will be capped at 26 weeks max. The only exception is C level, of course.
This is sad news indeed. I am surprised that ADP chose to do layoffs this frequently instead of doing all at once and being done. I thought the next one was going to be end of Q1.
The person that said "Everyone stay strong and alert", can you please share any additional knowledge you have about these layoffs? Do you have a number and by business unit?
I heard they happened today. On top of the first set of lay offs and furloughs
Can someone list the BUs taking the hit?
Everyone should use the following polite request when calling companies. "I want to speak to a representative in America." Use it when calling your bank, technical support, cable company etc. It's the only way we are going to slow the loss of jobs in the US.
@1avh+15H6ruOl - curious if there is a cap to the severance? In the past it was capped at 26 weeks regardless of length of service.
Just don't go to any meetings with your boss! Seems easy enough!
Yes. A 1:1 with an HR rep to give you the boot. Standard procedure.
Well, maybe more layoffs will help my stock!
They scheduled a 1:1 and added HR.
How are they doing it? Scheduling a conference all? A 1:1 and HR joins? Curious to the methodology
WooHoo! More layoffs! Now, how about the layoffs of those that are well deserved?
Pregnancy defense? Seriously? You think that is a reason for sympathy? No one cares! No one cared about anyone up till now and no one is starting now!
Is it all older, US nationals getting the boot. Seem kinda suspicious.