Thread regarding Cenovus Energy layoffs

A Culture of Safety includes Covid-19

AP's real view on Safety is tested yet again.. ..so lets get everyone back in a building with poor circulation with small cubicles asap!

Call it 'Peer-pressure' maybe.

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Post ID: @OP+15Q6OBlC

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I feel so stuck, can’t go anywhere and can’t leave because I need the pay cheque. If they tell me I have to go back to the office I will because I got bills to pay. But I don’t think anyone even notices whether I am 100% productive or 20% productive so I’ll just maintain a solid 33% and coast. Eventually though, I need to get out of here because this place, it’s “leaders” who most certainly DO NOT eat last, and it’s insane mediocrity and the politics because of it, is crushing my soul every day.

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Post ID: @oqzk+15Q6OBlC

Our open office floor plan and cubicle set up is the absolute worst case scenario for our new reality with Covid19

Not sure how we are going fix this one as a company. I do wish i was on the Exec floor, as the divide between the ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ is a whole lot wider now. Offices are even more valuable now.

(I know no one will care, but I just started looking for a new role in another company with offices, now that this problem cannot be fixed. I’m lucky to be in a role that’s in demand right now.)

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Post ID: @llyp+15Q6OBlC

AP and his army of a$$ kissers vs.COVID

Covid wins again.

Sure glad CLT didn’t get it’s way.. just more inefficient decision making at its best.. curve is up folks.. now back to work.. at least we get to maintain high productivity at home..

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Post ID: @llae+15Q6OBlC

Go ahead and work in the office if you feel comfortable with it.

Like the CLT, I'm certain you're not qualified to evaluate the risk here. Honestly, I'd like to know which poor soul in H&S was bullied into supporting this decision. Do you think they made calculations as to the number of people who might get infected if one covid-positive person were to be in the office for a week? There must be some decent research out there by now. From there it should be fairly easy to calculate the potential death rate. But yes, Donald Trump and Fox News say it's no worse than the flu, so you should be safe. Like or unlike you, I dont put much stock in critical thinking so I'd prefer to "blindly follow what the doctor prescribes" and "follow the herd" on this one.

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Post ID: @ksxv+15Q6OBlC

@joet+15Q6OBlC, you hit the nail on the head. I for one do not want to go back to that horrible work environment. I'll milk this situation for all it's worth to stay away, and work productively from home. I'll complain and whine about how insafe it is, etc. Honestly the risk is very low, not much worse than the flu, but media reporting that does not improve their ratings, most people just blindly follow whatever the Dr. prescribes, so I'll follow the herd for now.

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Post ID: @jxqp+15Q6OBlC

Probability of infection is a function of both proximity and duration of exposure. Sitting next to someone for 8.5 hours is different than walking past someone at a store at the same physical distance.

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Post ID: @jcxz+15Q6OBlC

I dunno about you guys, but when I'm at Superstore, Loews or any restaurant I see them FULL of people; most not wearing masks. But... no one of those same people want to sit in their cubicle at work. But they are happy to shop all day at Home Depot. What a joke. The company is responsible to provide a safe work environment, not nurse maid all your personal anxieties.

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Post ID: @joet+15Q6OBlC

Kelt exploration sells montney to ConocoPhillips for $510M. So they sell to CVE FCCL 50% and Deep Basin for $17B which is basically a subset of Montney. Smart and ironic for CVE. $250M loss this quarter. It could have been a lot worse. Oh I don’t credit the lousy leadership of CVE. I credit the assets and market Seems like praying and hoping AP are working

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Post ID: @fjma+15Q6OBlC

Q2 results not good - $235M loss. Embrace

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/cenovus-swings-to-235m-loss-in-second-quarter-on-weak-oil-prices-1.1469700

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Post ID: @fxnz+15Q6OBlC

@aqzp - guess how I know you're Cenovus management or HR?

1) you support policy decisions that are made based on fringe cases, or outliers, without much supporting evidence. 2) you speak as though people who disagree with you are spoiled and entitled. 3) you are comfortable reducing people to a percentage.

Make no mistake, by returning to the office you are increasing your risk of infection. Someone has just decided that's a risk they're willing to take.

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Post ID: @dbxz+15Q6OBlC

All good reasons HR, which I don’t disagree with, but it’s still too soon to let anyone back in the building for safety reasons.

Alberta is now trending over 100 cases a day and the curve is not longer flat, but trending upward.

I’m hopeful there will be an amendment in the timing as AP mentioned in his INC announcement.

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Post ID: @cdaf+15Q6OBlC

Not seeing an upside to wearing a mask all day in a plexiglass bubble around my cube while still having to use Teams to collaborate with the majority of my coworkers.

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Post ID: @aufl+15Q6OBlC

Some folks are struggling to do their jobs from home. Some teams want to return together if they’ve felt collaboration is not as effective on Teams.

Others are struggling with isolation, and others too, with domestic violence.

For those who don’t want to return, it’s great you have the decision to remain safe at home, and continue in your roles, which you are fortunate to be able to accomplish effectively remotely.

But for those of us who want to return, it’s great to know we can return safely, to the strict percentages that can safely be accommodated.

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Post ID: @aqzp+15Q6OBlC

Another 82 cases today in Alberta. Dr Hinshaw is concerned. The curve is spiking. Wonder what August will look like.

Not a single employee should be going back. Not even one!

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Post ID: @8yix+15Q6OBlC

Woman spreads virus to 71 people in 60 seconds. Google it. From a ride in an elevator. Think about that CLT. Cases are rising again in Alberta. This is not going away or business as usual. You can’t bully or manage by fear to make this virus go away. And calling your valuable workforce “Princesses” is not going to make the virus go away either. Nice to know HR / communications / leadership are listening.

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Post ID: @7voy+15Q6OBlC

Open door policy for AR is a joke. They don’t want to hear anything that is not part of their narrative. I agree all we have is people who put their head down and don’t speak up due to the fear culture. This so why our CLT doesn’t get it. If you are sitting in a meeting and everyone is agreeing with you something is wrong. I’ve seen it first hand. If anyone gets sick in the office they will be the most despised mgmt ever. And yes after conversation with my supervisor there was pressure to come back to meet their target numbers.

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Post ID: @7wio+15Q6OBlC

The reality is that there is still fear to speak up, and if not fear then it is apathy because there is 0% chance it will make any difference. Decisions get made in isolation with little to no input from the people they will affect. Sure, you can speak up to your supervisor but when was the last time any of us can recall the CLT reversing an obviously poorly thought out decision? Doesn’t matter how many 3rd party surveys they roll out - at the end of the day they are just going to do what they want anyway.

We have a culture where Leaders are far more concerned with optics and ego than doing what is right for the staff. It is what it is.

I’ve given up. Which is probably what they’ve been hoping would happen! Mission accomplished!

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Post ID: @7hrv+15Q6OBlC

Something these macho "leaders" and decision makers dont seem to understand is that they're now forcing us to choose between their personal safety and that of their family, and job security. The perception is that you can choose to be a team-player by coming in to the office, or an outsider by staying home. Everyone I've talked to, including medical professionals and media, don't think this sort of opt-out decision is fair in our current public health crisis. Especially when safer options are completely feasible.

That said, it's perfectly in line with CLT style to talk one way, and act another. AP likes to get political too, so I suppose this isnt too surprising. Oddly enough, it's his supporters and people that are willing to buy into his b—s— that are putting themselves at the greatest risk by going back into the office. These would likely be people who arent too concerned about social distancing or catching the virus too.

No problem though, I'll just tell my supervisor I'd rather not be part of a COVID test case. I'd rather be laid off than work for a leadership team that doesn't even value my health.

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Post ID: @7mav+15Q6OBlC

What part of “if you aren’t comfortable, talk to your supervisor” aren’t you people understanding? It’s pretty clear. Put the pitch forks away people - calling for heads on a platter and media attention is a bit of a stretch. Almost everyone is starting to open their businesses and if they are doing it according to Health guidelines then so be it. Believe it or not, there ARE people who do want to return to the office.

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Post ID: @7hmb+15Q6OBlC

@7wjg+15Q6OBlC - all I read in your lengthy vent was that you’re s-xist, racist AND you’re looking for a minimum wage job because that’s a better fit for you. Is that what you wanted to convey? I’m confused.

So anyway guys, I’m pretty sure you can push back if you’re not comfortable going back to the office. There are certainly bad leaders but there are also good ones who are pushing back hard on your behalf. Just say no.

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Post ID: @7nod+15Q6OBlC

Big Z is back!

In other news.. Alberta reported another 86 new cases and 2 deaths today. “But who cares you princesses.. “
we should just leave the real world and call up AP and AR on teams and see how that goes..
You guys still don’t get it.. Many supervisors are insecure and still pressured to bring people back .. AP’s announcement on INC was like quota - 30/50%..

Best part is that you CLT jokers are actually reading this which tells us that it’s a concern to you because you know staff are ticked off with you. At least your paying attention from your 1000 sq ft covid free spa-office .. we can all eat cake, get covid , and die in our cubicle I guess..

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Post ID: @7ruc+15Q6OBlC

Lol ya’ll want some cheese with that whine! Wow. Pretty sure I read that you can work with your supervisor if you’re not comfortable about going back. Have ya tried it? Probably not because it is easier to come on here and complain anonymously. Pretty confident that AP and AR both have an open door policy. Why don’t you grow some and pick up the phone - heck even Teams can give you a face-to-face meeting in the comfort of your own home instead of wimping out and posting on the layoff or calling ‘media’. Man up (or ‘people up’ for those soft blanket types) pull out your wedgie and go talk to them or HR personally. And for those of you willing to scream “CLT, HR, communications” why are you posting again .... that’s getting really old and is a typical response to someone that doesn’t drink your koolaid. Have the conversation like an adult or zip it and move on. I would love to know how many of you folks on here were part of the waves of people hanging around sylvan lake over the weekend, or pounding the pavement for BLM. Like it or not companies are doing their best to get people back to work. As long as they’re following the rules set out by Health Canada then they are doing their part. Good grief this country has had people getting minimum wage who have been working throughout this pandemic, like champs - and they are exposed to people day in and day out. I plan to work with them to find a fit for me, but you do you princesses.

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Post ID: @7wjg+15Q6OBlC

I’m an old guy and been at the company for many many years. I don’t post on this site and get a good laugh from it every so often.

My supervisor wants me back in late August, so that’s the plan.

What concerns me the most is not my own health as an old fart, but it’s my family and my peers that have long become like extended family. I wish the company would alter the plan a bit here to better balance between external and internal pressures.

That’s my respectful 2 cents..

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Post ID: @6wjn+15Q6OBlC

230 new cases in the past four days. I do t know what constitutes a second wave but this must be getting close. I cannot believe we are sending people back. Anybody who thinks people are overreacting or should be thankful to have a job is a damn id–t. This has the potential to be life and death decisions at this point.

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Post ID: @6pbg+15Q6OBlC

We want a do-over if that survey!!!

Alex can read all our comments again (bs)

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Post ID: @6fzb+15Q6OBlC

This CLT is so damn predictable! Need to fire Al Reid as a start.

“Make the staff complete a survey.. that will make them feel like their voices are being heard..”

I heard that AP laughs at staff concerns behind closed doors and mocks them as ‘ashholes’... I believe it now, as actions speak louder than words.

A true politician .. time to call it out.

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Post ID: @6kag+15Q6OBlC

I’m just as productive working from home and have exactly the same day to day interactions with my team. I’m working 7-5 every day just like before. Zero reason to rush me or most people back to the office before kids are back to school and the pandemic really breaks out.

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Post ID: @6zfb+15Q6OBlC

Lol! Conoco Shell Suncor all started stages back to office weeks ago. All are in cubicles. Hundreds let go at old Encana last month. Pretty sure alot of them would love the opportunity to go back to work if you all are too afraid.

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Post ID: @6zxe+15Q6OBlC

@5cml+15Q6OBlC Except for 3 new ones they are exactly the same CLT LOL

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Post ID: @5jgv+15Q6OBlC

First of all, this is completely unsafe. You can’t make people sit this close to each other in cubicles that already questioned personal space pre-pandemic, and say safety is our first priority. The plexiglass does nothing except prevent the guy behind me from sneezing on me while making me feel even more like a prisoner-who-works-at-a-call-center. You know though the CLT will not do anything about this? Remember how much we complained about those cubicles that only fit my foot? And cubicles we accepted, moved into and stopped complaining about. So the CLT conversation goes as follows - eh let them complain, they’re still coming back.

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Post ID: @5cpo+15Q6OBlC

As usual CLT and HR compare us to other companies without getting their facts straight. First off, our peers who’ve returned have only returned in circumstances where they work in an office (not a cubicle) and smaller companies who’s real estate liability and need to work together in person is greater than ours, have a completely flexible work schedule. So yeah guys, you’ve already lost all credibility. Do your homework.

To AP - you’re not “Cro-Magnon man” you just need to clue into your staffs’ lives a little, your office at BPC is bigger than my living room and your kitchen is bigger than my house. You’re like Paris Hilton, who at the beginning of the pandemic sat on the beach outside her Malibu mansion and posted on social media, “this is awesome, why are people complaining about having to stay home”!

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Post ID: @5iwv+15Q6OBlC

Love how CLT / HR has to compare us to our peers to feel adequate in their decisions.

That’s why we will never be a leading company in this space.

  • NO originality and creativity.

Lack of trust and threatening our jobs also helps..

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Post ID: @5uuu+15Q6OBlC

Yes. Safety when it’s convenient. Otherwise what a joke. And that tired old line. 100s lining up for your job. Get a new script already. I’ve heard that since 2010. You wonder why there’s such weak leadership at CVE. They have the creativity of a wall. Staying at home and being safe is “ridiculous”. Oh if I could catch the virus and then put a big wet one on all of you. Then we will see how ridiculous it is.

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Post ID: @5ufe+15Q6OBlC

This is the exact kind of garbage you can expect from our HR and leadership: ” For those that are afraid to return or just like working (although most are not working that hard) from home then perhaps you shouldn't. ”

They do not trust their employees is the basic disconnect. Make us read this culture safety book when we all know the leadership just mouths support for it and won’t actually do it. I laughed at the part where it talks about a culture where you can bring up issues without fear.

I have been working just as hard and even the mgmt said there was no drop in productivity when we all went home.

My main issue is us being put into small cubicles with a potentially air borne virus. What do you mo–ns think is going to happen. And those companies like Suncor, CNRL, and Husky all have offices. Big difference you dolt!!

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Post ID: @5oiu+15Q6OBlC

So it’s back to your cubes so we can keep having Microsoft Teams meetings with the other half of the staff not there on a given day.

This exec team seems as dumb as the ones that bought the Conoco assets at twice the price they were worth.

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Post ID: @5cml+15Q6OBlC

Many companies are back to the office at least on a part time basis. Conoco, Husky, Suncor. Many small offices have been back for over a month.
Most companies had salary cuts of average 15-20%, reduced hours/days, benefits, flex time.
For those that are afraid to return or just like working (although most are not working that hard) from home then perhaps you shouldn't. With all the layoffs there are hundreds of people that would love to have your job.
Life/work must continue. Staying home for months more as some suggest is ridiculous.

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Post ID: @5inf+15Q6OBlC

Given the work arrangements (small cubicles), I was just as shocked as you guys on this decision!. I expected Cenovus would be returning later in the timeline then our peers as a result.

I’m confidentially contacting CTV News and Calgary Heard today to see if they want to run this story.. it just might get traction.

Now I know why unions happen..

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Post ID: @5gyu+15Q6OBlC

Trust me. Leaders ARE speaking up, but someone has to be willing to listen.

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Post ID: @5gjy+15Q6OBlC

Canary in the coal mine.
Thanks...but no thanks!

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Post ID: @5lks+15Q6OBlC

Refuse unsafe work. Even if CEO asks you to do it.

I will be calling Alberta Health Services first day back to report that we are not spaced 2 meters apart in our cubicles. I suggest you do the same.

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