Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Illegally being asked to work Overtime with No extra Pay

For many of us company wide who are hourly pre-sales consultants, we are being asked to work overtime but not record our hours so company does not have to pay for O/T hours, but instead keep track of it and take time off when possible to make up for it. Not sure how legal it is as it’s near impossible to take that time off. It may not sound like a big deal for many outside of Oracle but our base pay is generally 30-35% less to accommodate for the extra overtime. So basically they handed us massive pay cuts which means start looking for something else if you are in position to do so.

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“Mark Hurd cared about people and relationships.“

Sorry, but I can’t just scroll past this without calling B.S.

The only person he ever cared about was himself. Every aspect of his life demonstrated that.

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Post ID: @asgr+15zGIqvU

Ah yes...I received 2 maybe 3 checks as a result of Oracle being sued for not paying OT.

And if you are asked to work OT and not be paid, call in sick. I'm sure there are some lawyers who would love to talk with you about this latest strategy.

In California, this is considered a violation and has nothing to do with vacation time.

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Post ID: @3big+15zGIqvU

Please god someone bring a lawsuit

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Post ID: @2mun+15zGIqvU

The ethics hotline is fake. I reported something a long time ago and got no response at all. Don't bother with HR, they are not watching out for employees, they are watching the employees for the company.

Document what you can and get a lawyer. Oracle is the enemy.

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Post ID: @2rsa+15zGIqvU

“Someone getting paid by the hour is not going to put the same amount of time into a deal, as a salaried employee.”

That completely discounts everything else that could impact the ability to do a job, including training/mentoring. A clear set of goals and the tools and knowledge to do that. Relationships built over years of dealing with customers and colleagues. Not to mention that MH had a reputation of destroying not just jobs, and how those tasks that make up the jobs are performed.

All for a streamlined customer experience, ease of getting the deals through, of really improving people’s careers? H E L L no! All in the name of saving a buck! You just cannot blame that failure on if a person is exempt or non-exempt.

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Post ID: @2rrh+15zGIqvU

In the day’s of yore, when Oracle was professional, profitable, and prolific, Pre-sales were a valuable commodity worthy of a salary, as you often managed teams of resources to help the rep manage the deal. Great SC’s often did many tasks you would associate with a rep, so their rep could work more deals, which meant more success and more comp via the good plans. When they fired all the good ones when Mark Hurd showed up, and replaced them with ‘youngsters’ and folks from abroad who both would attempt to do the job “by the hour” only someone who had never done it, would think it would work. Now you understand what we saw coming back in 2014. Someone getting paid by the hour is not going to put the same amount of time into a deal, as a salaried employee. Just a fact...

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Post ID: @2amt+15zGIqvU

Use the darn EBS timesheet correctly, and record all your time!!! Or renegotiate your employment contract to get paid by the piece, not by the hour.

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Post ID: @2hvt+15zGIqvU

As an M4 with many who work overtime, I will tell you that you absolutely are required to enter actual time worked on your timesheets whether overtime was approved or not. That is, if you are overtime eligible. That is a legal requirement. If you are being told otherwise file a complaint and get a lawyer. If you are working unapproved overtime, stop. For emergencies, ok, but you still need to put the time in the timesheet. This is quite clear from payroll.

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Post ID: @1dwt+15zGIqvU

A SE Manager said "document your time" and just take those hours off when you need them. Seriously? When is there ever enough time. We aren't even paid vacation pay so when you are RIF'd the company makes out! Not a human friendly company and our customers know it. Mark Hurd cared about people and relationships. Safra is all about #'s. Cut people...cut jobs....just need to show good #'s.

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Post ID: @1swu+15zGIqvU

I gotta say it. I was laid off in 2017 because I kept filling out all the OT I worked. I was traveling across the country doing proof of concepts for Oracle cloud. I was away from family and thought to myself, I could care less about what I am "asked" to do. I care about what is right. If I work the hour, then Oracle will pay it.

Not only did I get my over time pay, but I also got a healthy severance package and 30 days to find another job while still getting paid. I went to work for a start up learned a lot of cool technologies and made a k–ling on an IPO.

It was the right thing to do. If you don't bill the hours you work then you have no one to blame but yourself. Take a good look in the mirror at the guy who doesn't stand up for himself and his family, so he can work for free at a dying dinosaur tech company and ask "what's the right thing to do?"

I can say doing the right thing, asking to be paid for my work paid off in every way imaginable. The only company that asks you to work extra and not pay is a disgusting unethical slimy scumbag company.

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Post ID: @1gbt+15zGIqvU

Management is handicapped. They are p-ss-d also. This one comes from the m7/m8 level. All about exec bonuses

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Post ID: @1qki+15zGIqvU

Reach your lawyer. Don't go for HR or Fight with management.

Agreed. Think of HR as an enemy spy. And not just Oracle, it is pretty much routine.

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Post ID: @1pdj+15zGIqvU

Someone should take legal action

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Post ID: @1kio+15zGIqvU

Reach your lawyer. Don't go for HR or Fight with management.

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Post ID: @dlk+15zGIqvU

Data, Data, Data, Info, Info, Info. Nothing else speaks in corporate world.

If you are in USA, this is legally wrong. Keep proof of your off hours work and your time sheets.

  1. Start recording as much details as possible. Keep off-hours meeting invites, mail threads
  2. If you attend off hours meeting record the calls with additional tools
  3. Store phone records of off-hour calls from your manager
  4. Try to escalate to HR and Ethics department
  5. Go to Legal or Media. If you have any medical problems, cite off-hours working as a reason for that.
  6. If your manager shouts or discriminates you keep a recording of that too.

Do it Only if you are good with other alternatives than O. If not just sit quiet.

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Post ID: @kfm+15zGIqvU

Its all so executives can get better bonus payouts as they get comped on the margins.

Someone needs to step up and call it out. Frustrates the hell out of me. And the employees are too afraid to bring it up on all hands while senior leadership turns a blind eye

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Post ID: @wkq+15zGIqvU

It is illegal and if the manager is aware of it and encouraging it go to their boss... it is a termination offense to work and not record hour for OT. The manager has to tell the sales team the workload will take longer.

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Post ID: @mbe+15zGIqvU

Oh yeah Oracle has a history of this type of wage theft. You are told you are hourly, and that you are FORBIDDEN to record overtime. Yet you have so much work on your plate, and SLAs, and other deadlines that you work off the clock. The boss doesn’t tell you that but it’s strongly implied so you get the message.

Oracle is a s u c k y place to work. Improve your life, paycheck and self esteem and get outa there.

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Post ID: @bea+15zGIqvU

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Oracle get sued (and lost) regarding this very practice before? It was in Service and support as I recall.

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Post ID: @trv+15zGIqvU

It needs to be reported to the Ethics hotline. Now there is a chance it does not go anywhere by doing so, but it is a questionable business practice and Oracle legal might want to know about it since it could put federal work in jeopardy among other risk scenarios. Usually, Oracle will do the right thing if enough people are made aware and LOBs are plenty siloed. Documentation they can pulled in an audit later matters. Good luck.

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Post ID: @ohh+15zGIqvU

It needs to be reported to the Ethics hotline. Now there is a chance it does not go anywhere by doing so, but it is a questionable business practice and Oracle legal might want to know about it since it could put federal work in jeopardy among other risk scenarios. Usually, Oracle will do the right thing if enough people are made aware and LOBs are plenty siloed. Documentation they can pulled in an audit later matters. Good luck.

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Post ID: @asj+15zGIqvU

Such requests are common especially in the hospitality industry. Class action law suits follow and company just makes the pay outs and it keeps happening over and over again. Employees will go along with it to keep their jobs. My guess is - in your case - of course they cannot make you if you insist on recording your overtime but don't be surprised if the company terminates your contract and finds somebody else to take over your duties. However, this is probably the only way they can keep their costs within budget and the only way they can hang on to your services. I agree it is a bitter pill to swallow but do it until you find something better. I am sure this is happening outside Oracle as well.

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