Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Don't accept an offer in any of the H/W divisions

Oracle burns through sales people and treats them like expendables, and everyone knows that. So pay attention to which business units Oracle sends its leads to and that is where Oracle wants growth. The H/W divisions currently get zero leads. Even requests for contact by a H/W rep will get sent to the cloud division these days.

Internal disputes between sales departments always get settled by the Cloud team getting their way and H/W being told to stuff it. Basically, DB is at the top of the food chain, cloud is in second and H/W ranks near the bottom, just below legacy products like JD Edwards and PeopleSoft. Large discounts for Cloud get approved but H/W discounts are meager and the whole product line is just a lost leader to try and snare any potential future Cloud customers.

The H/W pre-sales engineers are all complaining that they need to get certs and training for cloud so that they can transition out of H/W when the ax drops. Oracle hates losing sales engineers so if you want to know a good early indicator of when a business unit is about to get dumped, watch the pre-sales engineers.

Oracle hires people knowing that they will fire them one way or another, so don't accept an offer in any of the H/W divisions. They have no career plan for anyone dumb enough to voluntarily agree to sell their hardware. A pink slip will have to suffice as the closest thing to a promotion you will get from Oracle.

Good advice from @qlio+18meVGOd.

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HW division job offers? That's unpossible! We are told here by reliable sources, that absolutely do not have an ax to grind, that HW is a steady layoff machine.

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Post ID: @fysl+18SK9QaH
Unicorn flatulence?

Do they smell like Skittles?

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Post ID: @8xkm+18SK9QaH

Where can we get the Glengarry leads, we need more.

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Post ID: @8kut+18SK9QaH
Until you are able to run your autonomous DB within the cells of green algae, you’re gonna need hardware.

So? Eventually ADB will be run on servers made by companies who have growing HW businesses.

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Post ID: @8rwf+18SK9QaH

Until you are able to run your autonomous DB within the cells of green algae, you’re gonna need hardware.

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Post ID: @8gpu+18SK9QaH
cloud at customer machine ... flagship product
HW isn’t going anywhere in the short term at least. Oracle has positioned the division with customers as a “stepping stone” to cloud.

All patently false statements. The end will be swift, calculated and harsh for those who continue to whistle past the graveyard

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Post ID: @8nji+18SK9QaH
Umm, what do clouds run on?

Unicorn flatulence?

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Post ID: @4hty+18SK9QaH
Oracle was always a sh–hole company

Perhaps, but sun flamed out quicker, so was an even bigger sh-hole company than Oracle

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Post ID: @4ykd+18SK9QaH

Oracle was always a sh–hole company. When Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems, it presented them with a great opportunity to be a contender in storage and servers and tape libraries, as well as with the Solaris operating system and Java. Ellison boasted as if that was what he intended to do. Then he proceeded to gut the remains of Sun with a level of stupidity and arrogance equal to that of Schwartz and McNealy before him. I have no sympathy for Oracle old-timers (if there are any left) who think the hardware business was what rained on their parade. It may make sense to k–l off hardware now that Oracle executives have stupidly ruined it, but what remains won't be a particularly competent organization.

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Post ID: @3ewc+18SK9QaH
If you choose to sell hardware in a cloud centric market, you get what you get

Umm, what do clouds run on?

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Post ID: @3acm+18SK9QaH
HW RoI percentage is HIGHER than DB. Hardware has been Oracle's most successful acquisition to date.

“successful”

Another pathetic response from a dead-end HW employee, trying to defend dying biz that is shrinking 10% year-over-year. sux 2 B U

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Post ID: @3rno+18SK9QaH

HW RoI percentage is HIGHER than DB. Hardware has been Oracle's most successful acquisition to date.

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Post ID: @2ewu+18SK9QaH

If you choose to sell hardware in a cloud centric market, you get what you get

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Post ID: @1ula+18SK9QaH

But it's not a bad place to be if you're very close to retirement and you get a good bump-up in compensation.

If you're also looking to move on to another job within 1-2 years and you get a fancier title along with the pay bump, moving to the HW org is fine. It'll make you look good for you next job as long as you don't divulge the unhappier details.

It won't last but you can play it to your advantage.

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Post ID: @1puc+18SK9QaH

Well known fact: the HW BU is a POS. I'm surprised it took you so long to figure that out, but better late than never and you are to be commended for finally waking up.

Best of luck to you in your new job hunt.

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Post ID: @1nqv+18SK9QaH

HW picked up the cloud at customer machine and are the prime team on that flagship product. The cloud team are secondary to the HW guys in regards to that product.

Add to that the Exa sales are still strong, HW isn’t going anywhere in the short term at least. Oracle has positioned the division with customers as a “stepping stone” to cloud.

JDE and peoplesoft are dead... zero resource and zero investment.

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Post ID: @1kau+18SK9QaH

K–ling off the hw org is the right business move, even though you obviously don’t like it. That biz has been shrinking steadily for a long, long time, about -10% year over year. And that decline started well before Oracle had a cloud business, so hw has been dong a fine job of dying on its own despite the fact that the Glengarry leads are no longer available to you.

Also, I would never rate HW in the same class with JDE and PPST .... HW is the absolute bottom of the barrel (the sludge, so to speak)

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