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OCI rep getting screwed on the new consumption based comp plan. Basically every rep gets a “threshold” to surpass before getting paid a dime...

Have done over and above number in new bookings but due to strategic nature of projects the ramp to consumption means it’s a 9 month window...that takes me well into next FY and finance will have turned me over and shaken out my lunch money by then by adding it to the new year’s threshold.

So won’t get paid on deals I’ve done. have a couple of strategic ones in the pipe for next FY but guessing will be in the same situation. Is it the same for all cloud infrastructure companies?!

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I could close a 5 million dollar deal, and get nothing for it until State Street start to consume on the product.

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Post ID: @kelp+19Xo2Zox

Two more gone this week!

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Post ID: @kszf+19Xo2Zox

That's the name of the game in Cloud - it's all about driving consumption to increase MRR for the company

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Post ID: @ailf+19Xo2Zox

OMG! What? You mean you work at Oracle and you are getting screwed over? How could it be?

Get out of Oracle. There are real companies to work for.

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Post ID: @atob+19Xo2Zox

Things are always darkest right before they go totally black.

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Post ID: @3fge+19Xo2Zox
OCI rep getting screwed on the new consumption based comp plan. Basically every rep gets a “threshold” to surpass before getting paid a dime...

No worries. We’ll replace you with a “class-of” OD rep who doesn’t know any better...

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Post ID: @1ggu+19Xo2Zox

“ Meanwhile, IT personnel at the customer, who are already familiar with AWS, Azure, etc... have ZERO interest in spending any time working with non-market-leading cloud infrastructure.”

And there you have Oracle’s main issues writ large.

  1. Not considered groundbreaking in any way, shape or form; not even worth a POC.
  1. Combative and overbearing relationships with customers means that issue #1 will cause a death spiral.
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Post ID: @1bah+19Xo2Zox

Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is way, WAY worse than this.

In my experience plenty of cloud credits get sold (or "attached" to some other deal) to customers where the sales team thinks they've done their job. Meanwhile, IT personnel at the customer, who are already familiar with AWS, Azure, etc... have ZERO interest in spending any time working with non-market-leading cloud infrastructure. In fact, they know that if anything, oracle cloud is actually detrimental to what makes them look good on their resumes since very few employers are looking for oracle cloud expertise.

We had one customer (fortune 100) who purchased literally millions in oracle cloud credits (it was a multi year deal where the credits started at something like $1M yr 1, then $1.5M year 2... for about 4 or 5 years total). There was all this pressure from oracle management for the sales team to get the customer to start consuming these so that after the deal was up they would have to re-up. So we went in and gave all sorts of training to folks all over their IT org. It was like pulling teeth just to get them to tinker with the technology, let alone actually work to deploy an actual project on it. They would drag their feat on everything since they already had Amazon and Azure in place, already had mechanisms to procure, deploy, and use our competitors' infrastructure, which they continued to do rather than bother with pre-paid oracle cloud credits. We could not get traction anywhere.

The only place where I've seen the customer actually adopt our stuff for real work was a place where they already tons of oracle SAAS apps (ERP, HCM, etc...), and the CIO hired a guy to come in to try to cut overall costs. There was a dogfight against Amazon along with a variety of cloud based PAAS stuff, which miraculously we won. In this case the project ended up being a "cram-down" of our PAAS and IAAS stuff onto IT, who really wanted nothing to do with any of it. In fact, they were really enemies of Oracle the entire way leading up to and into the project. Once things got rolling, however, since the project was driven from the CIO level (and above), they ended having no choice except to move ahead with oracle.

So I don't know what you mean when you describe "strategic" deals, but if you mean strategic to you, that's a heckofalot different from strategic to the customer. I.e., you may get lots of credits "sold", but in most cases it will be a MAJOR uphill battle to get them to actually adopt and use our technology..

Things don't look good, IMHO, and good luck.

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Post ID: @1lgw+19Xo2Zox

Question is more to do with if AWS / GCP / Azure compensate in same way.

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Post ID: @1hig+19Xo2Zox

When did this comp change get put in place? Just now, at the start of Q4 ?!?!?

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Post ID: @1xye+19Xo2Zox

The grass is always greener next door when you live in a desert.

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Post ID: @1rqk+19Xo2Zox

Seriously? If you are miserable, leave. Find something else because It won't get better, it never does. It has nothing to do with how well or poorly a company is doing. It you hate it, get out and go someplace else. If you are worried about the future of the company your org, your position, find something else and get out. You're state of mind is all that matters.

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Post ID: @1qrv+19Xo2Zox

That you even have to ask... speaks volumes about you.

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Post ID: @1tba+19Xo2Zox

Title should be “Worth Staying?”, answer is No, keep yourself open and look for other jobs.

Sorry, there is no value for OCI certification, since no one using it.

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Post ID: @1csx+19Xo2Zox

But on the bright side, you now have a valuable associate OCI certification!

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