Thread regarding Ford layoffs

The CDC said fully vaccinated Americans can do away with wearing masks and social distancing.

We will soon find out if Ford workers can finally do away with masks. We will find out if Ford is an American company or co------t-run company.

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Post ID: @OP+1aRxMfvk

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Time to get back to in-person office work... it is about time vs the work from home staff who claim they are more productive. Utter nonsense!

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Post ID: @adzw+1aRxMfvk

Post ID: @3yxy+1aRxMfvk
My logic is sound.

Companies that do not make a profit, for weeks, months, year after year cannot pay off the loans that they were using to stay afloat.

I agree there are a number of creative finance process to keep things going for a while but eventually the lending institutions bail and the company goes bankrupt. Similar to short and puts in stock market, there are always winners in every catastrophic financial event. Ie lawyers.

Do your research, the government only gets involved when they are forced to bail our whole industries due to extreme circumstances, such as the airlines, banking, automotive, railroad, not single companies that make bad financial decisions leading to bankruptcy. I only remember one exception and that was Chrysler and they paid back the loan.

Again, name me one company that has not made a profit and been around for 10-20 years and still is fully operational. Even Tesla is starting to make a modest profit.

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Post ID: @5wok+1aRxMfvk

@5zhl
the statistics are being censored by the deep money pharma cabal.

  • covid is not as deadly as they make it out to be the stats are rigged
  • social media and the media and the CDC and all govt health orgs are distorting the data
  • covid is a casedemic. the PCR test is a scam and the caseload is based on the number of times people have a PCR positive
  • the vaccines are not as safe as they say... estimated 1-10% of adverse reactions even get reported to VAERS and the media is censoring the data

So the you do you I'll do me sounds cool but the yous that are pro vaccine are totalitarians and are not REALLY ok with me being me until I confess to their lies like the vaccine is safe and effective, the election was not stolen, black people can't be racist, diversity is our strength, love is love including pedophilia, and trans women are women.

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Post ID: @5hfn+1aRxMfvk

@5rpm You've purposely chosen to pick an extreme outlier to present as an example for what? What about the millions that have no adverse effects and the millions that have minor effects? Why don't you show those statistics? It's just like the people that say first person shooter video games cause violence because that one person (tragically) ki---d someone and the media learned they played these games. What about the millions that play those games and live normal un-news worthy lives and don't mu---r someone?

You won't (present those statistics) . For some reason you have a chip on your shoulder towards the vaccine. Is this vaccine perfect? No. Is any vaccine perfect? No. So get over yourself and allow people to do their own research and make their own decisions. You do you. I'll do me.

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Post ID: @5zhl+1aRxMfvk

For the comment posted by @1aai, here is the link:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/lipid-nanoparticles-in-covid-19-vaccines-the-new-mercury-to-antivaxxers/

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Post ID: @4kor+1aRxMfvk

@3qbz+1aRxMfvk your logic is faulty.
First you need to have a better understanding of how Ford is able to borrow money.
The debt Ford has is junk bond status, that means two things, Ford is paying high interest rates, and second the lender has instruments to protect themselves if/when Ford defaults. In fact if you spend time doing research you will see that the lenders are also betting against Ford. The original lender will be made whole no matter what happens.
Second if Ford is so secure, they would not be needing handouts from the government to stay afloat. Again do your research, don’t just spout the corporate PR lines.

If it makes you sleep better thinking that some lender believes in Ford then alright, but it just isn’t so.
Did lenders really believe that McDonalds employees could afford a million dollar house?

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Post ID: @3yxy+1aRxMfvk

@3men+1aRxMfvk sorry you are wrong. 27 year Ford employee sadly watching the company continually decline, praying for a buy out. There was a glimmer of hope with Mulally, but everything Mulally instituted regarding transparency, honesty, integrity was undone post Mulally We are back to false reporting upwards, leading to horrible decisions by increasingly more and more inept “leadership”.
The ineptitude of GSR ranks has dramatically increased as inept supervisors and managers hire and promote inept GSRs. All the while the GSRs and LL* pat themselves on the back and give each other praise and recognition for their pitiful efforts and “accomplishments”. Everyday we play buzzword and fools bingo to amuse ourselves in meetings that accomplish nothing.

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Post ID: @3fzn+1aRxMfvk

Post ID: @2mln+1aRxMfvk

This appears to be another disgruntled contract IT employee. If you are that unhappy, your really need to find an employer you can contract for and be happy with. Maybe someday you will get direct hired.

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Post ID: @3men+1aRxMfvk

Post ID: @3wji+1aRxMfvk

Besides the US government, what company can you name that has been so financially constrained, to the point where revenues were negative, but they still were able to borrow money of many, many years without repercussions? Why would any lucid person or institution borrow money to a business that continually losses money without the prospects of being paying it back? It has very little to do with coaching, headcount reduction and bad management. The bottom line is that the company has to produce a product that will make them money. Nothing else matters why is that so hard to understand?

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Post ID: @3qbz+1aRxMfvk

"I agree that large business have pockets of low performers but that is not applicable to the whole organization or they would go bankrupt." <--- this is only true in a more resource-constrained environment. There's plenty of revenue and wealth to sustain thousands of slackers. All it does is reduce net revenue by a very small percentage, certainly much less than large vehicle recall debacles, and those happen all the time. When the pain of reducing headcount is greater than the pain of keeping headcount, they are kept. Viz: HR makes it exceedingly painful and time consuming to remove low performers individually except as part of a larger headcount reduction. Why bother, it just causes you endless trouble as a supervisor and you certainly don't get rewarded for it. In fact you might get penalized for it on your PR: "bad management technique, doesn't know how to coach and motivate his team."

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Post ID: @3wji+1aRxMfvk

Ford would be risking the farm if they attempted to force vaccinated employees side by side in an office all day with the un-vaxed. BS! I'm fully vaxed and do not have to be in an office to do my job. You want to make us come in, Ford should create vaccinated and un vaccinated buildings. Let the resisters swim in their own virus pots. Keep them away from the vaxed. You can best believe the lawsuits would fly if a vaccinated person became infected because Ford demanded they come in the office. I would sue for all the pain and suffering as well as reckless endangerment I could manage.

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Post ID: @3lfp+1aRxMfvk

Publicis which is the PR firm that is manipulating much of the covid info online is being sued by the AG of Massachusetts for pumping the safety and efficacy of deadly Purdue Pharma opioids several years ago.

Follow the money.

There are trillions to be made in gene modifying vaccines and "the science" and "the experts" are being paid to tell you it's safe and effective just like the told you about tobacco and opioids.

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Post ID: @2epw+1aRxMfvk

@1oad+1aRxMfvk "I agree that large business have pockets of low performers but that is not applicable to the whole organization or they would go bankrupt.
Do you remember Kodak, how about all the large chain restaurants and box stores that went bankrupt in the last few years? If we were a tending to a communistic business model this would have never happened."

The commercial mine fields are filled with the carcasses of the bankrupted companies. The bigger a company is, the longer it takes to die. They just bleed cash until they are dead.

Do you truly think that nobody at Kodak saw the digital camera "menace"? Only the "top guys" didn't see it and/or dismissed it. Sears? Do you think nobody at Sears saw the possibility of expanding the catalog business to the Internet? Or that stores needed upgrading? But those "crazy ideas" were shutdown by management because it didn't align with the vision of the "guy".

A co------t business/country model is a dictatorship. The top guy does not listen to the rest and uses force and threats to keep the reins tight. When all the companies are co------t, no one goes bankrupt publicly, but all are. When competing with new capitalist companies, the old ones die a slow death. They cannot compete because management already pushed away the talent and are too way set up on their way, too surrounded of red tape, with too many "yes" men, with too many middle managers used to wait for the last directive from "upstairs".

The last 20 years have been a "blessing" for those dying companies: they can borrow cheap money and extend the slow death for more years. They are also called "zombie" companies.

Thanks

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Post ID: @2nyh+1aRxMfvk

The Ford culture is toxic. People delude themselves into thinking the culture is normal while working there. They often claim all companies are the same when presented with evidence of the toxicity, or better yet they blame the victims.
Once people leave Ford they are like holy moly what a cesspool of incompetence, why did I ever stay so long?
Ford needs to keep recruiting naive people, burn and churn them, the Ford machine spits out the competent once they figure out the game as the Ford network of cheerleaders and kiss ups need a constant supply of people to use and abuse, as heavens knows they are incapable of actually doing work. It is a hard thing to look in the mirror and admit one’s part in the toxicity, the man in the mirror is the easier man to deceive.

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Post ID: @2mln+1aRxMfvk

Post ID: @1wjk+1aRxMfvk

Ford has about 200,00 employee's worldwide, small in comparison to the 2 million who work at Walmart. I don't see the culture as bad as portrayed by some of the posters.

I would guess that a good number of the negative comments about Ford are from contract IT people who make up a majority of the IT department. Sad to say but they have no promotional opportunities and are easily replaced. I have no doubt that the some of the Ford employees take advantage of this situation for their own benefit.

Again, if you are that miserable leave and find another job. Given the culture at Ford you most likely will not direct hired because you are not core to the business. Get mad if you want but that is the truth.

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Post ID: @1huz+1aRxMfvk

The mRNA vaccine triggers your body to produce antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, and spike proteins in turn contain syncytin-homologous proteins that are essential for the formation of placenta. If a woman’s immune system starts reacting against syncytin-1, then there is the possibility she could become infertile.

This is an issue that none of the vaccine studies is looking at specifically. Mass vaccinating women of childbearing age against COVID-19 could potentially have the devastating consequence of causing mass infertility if the vaccine triggers an immune reaction against syncytin-1.

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Post ID: @1aai+1aRxMfvk

@1ini+1aRxMfvk spot on. The only thing I would change is add the qualifier
large “Publicly traded” companies “whose founder is no longer in charge”.

Large private companies tend to be better , as well as companies whose founder is still at the helm, or at least still on the board of directors. I worked at Walmart HQ when Sam Walton was still running the company, yes he had some quirks- but he certainly knew how to run a company and take care of employees. Post Sam, well things are different, several of the things you post about have crept in.

Ford ticks every box from your post plus some. This likely can be attributed to several generations having past since Henry I was at the helm.

It will be interesting to see how companies like Berkshire Hathaway and Microsoft fair when their founders are no longer around.

Back to Ford, if you are not a sheeple, give this company a hard pass. If you want to collect a paycheck for doing nothing except st-----g the egos of people above you and stomping on your coworkers, then Ford is your place: line up, sign up, and give a Ford cheer, oh and don’t’ forget to spend your entire paycheck on disposable Ford vehicles.

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Post ID: @1wjk+1aRxMfvk

Post ID: @1ini+1aRxMfvk

Years ago, I lived and worked in the Philippines under martial law during Marcos’s rein and then for a few years in 80”s worked in Saudi Arabia. I understand what it is to live a restrictive society.

You seem to be applying your own negative experiences at a large company to the all businesses in the US. The reality is that most new jobs are created by small business who have to be extremely efficient to succeed.

I agree that large business have pockets of low performers but that is not applicable to the whole organization or they would go bankrupt.

Do you remember Kodak, how about all the large chain restaurants and box stores that went bankrupt in the last few years? If we were a tending to a communistic business model this would have never happened.

Bottom line if a business in not profitable it will go out of business. That is how our modified model of the capitalistic system functions. I am excluding the government bailouts of a very few business from my comments.

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Post ID: @1oad+1aRxMfvk

@1ini Thank you! Your bullet points pretty much describe every company I have worked for since 2000, including Ford.

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Post ID: @1yqj+1aRxMfvk

@nwt+1aRxMfvk "The comments regarding communism are ridiculous."

Unless you lived under communism at one point of your life, you have no clue of what's really communism. Sadly, I did, and I know. I am going to tell you something I noticed years ago, when I was working for another large company: most of the large American corporations are very like to government run companies in communist countries. You don't believe me? Let's check the facts:

  • Large established companies don't encourage "thinking outside the box". Yes, they have a lot of initiatives and posters saying they do, but ultimately, the thinking outside of the box gets derailed by a manager who's benefitting with the status quo.
  • There is one guy, the savior, who will fix all problems with his wisdom. Whatever comes from "the big man upstairs" (CEO or Communist Party leader) is a religion. It is a blasphemy to think (and speak) against it, no matter how id--tic is the idea. Usually these ideas are applied to all fields in the company, even when there is no need or way to apply them.
  • You get inundated with propaganda touting the benefits of the new ideas from the "guy", saying how things are going to work fine this time, even when you know it won't because you are already seeing the cr@p is worse than ever.
  • Employees waste more time in meetings than actually working. It is more important to assist to the mandatory meetings in order to discuss plans that never going to happen, where managers will repeat like parrots the new ideas from the "guy" and would force the unanimous consent of the employees (so they will look golden to their own managers).
  • Good people (managers and employees) are being letting go for doing the right thing. Most of the remaining employees keep their mouth shut to keep their job, even when they disagree with what's happening in front of their eyes. Productivity and motivation fall very hard very fast.
  • The wrong people (opportunists) get promoted, because they support publicly the cr---y ideas from the "guy", while the hard working people, who really know the damage of those ideas, are relegated.
  • Frustration and fear dominate the work force. The capable people try to leave the company (or the communist country). Most are just "going with the flow", doing the minimum to keep their jobs. People try to evade responsibilities and the game of "pointing the finger to other team" is at the highest usage.

I could keep on and on. So... what do you think? Does it ring any bell?

Thanks

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Post ID: @1ini+1aRxMfvk

So don't get vaccinated. We don't care if you get sick and die, as you say, it is your right!

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Post ID: @1hux+1aRxMfvk

Post ID: @bak+1aRxMfvk
Really, Comparing a highly contagious and deadly disease to study on of the impacts of trauma-based mind control on Korean War prisoners detained by communists in North Korea and China.

What an incredible stretch of a very limited imagination.

Whoever created this chart should speak with a former POW. Wonder if they would say the restrictions under covid are as bad as their stay in Hanoi Hilton.

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Post ID: @lfu+1aRxMfvk

A corporate email was sent out yesterday stating that Ford will still maintain their Covid protocol until further notice.
Ford is a publicly traded company, they can set any policy they want. If you don't like it leave and start your own company.
The comments regarding communism are ridiculous.

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