Mandatory vax As a condition of employment is the rumor
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HW has the right to do it, as do all companies, and as much as they might want to do it, they don't have the guts because of the bad publicity they'd get while trying to hire new grads, and they'd have to make it a world wide policy in countries that don't have full access to vacs yet (India). If all the other Wall Street companies, and ones in HW's peer group require it, then HW will follow along.
Just FYI, companies have the legal right (as do other entities) to require vaccination as a condition for employment or for entering one of the facilities.
This has been well established for a long time and has nothing to do with COVID-19.
If you have legitimate medical exclusion or sincerely held religious objections, there are protocols for documenting them.
(BTW, belief in crazy "COVID is a hoax and vaccines will ki-l you" theories is NOT a sincerely held religious belief and won't get you off the hook).
I have no idea if this company will require vaccination but I know of some others that are doing so.
Reading some of theses post I can see that some mo--ns confuse constitution, right to ki-l, Marxism or communism and more…
Feel free not to take a vaccine and visit your familly especially the elderly without good insurance. Make sure when sick you immediately visit them and stay with them. Make sure your elderly are off Medicare or Medicaid as this smells of Marxism…After all the virus is an hoax right?
The constitution implies that god gave American the supreme right to ki-l others especially in other countries and if they don’t want to be ki---d they should arm themselves. Same here. May the one with the best machine g-n win! That should keep them more than 6 feet’s. And let’s wait until the population is culled before getting vaccinated because even tough in today’s world virus spread faster we want to wait until it is safe!!!
Provide me with a traditional non-experimental vaccine, and I’ll be the first in line. This FORCED experimental vax makes no sense at all...
A more realistic rumor is a "Mandatory Vax Tax" in the form of medical insurance penalty for not taking the vaccine, similar to the penalty for not taking your biometric screening.
No validity to this rumor. The plan is to bring people back in rotating groups, regardless of vaccine status. Since it is not possible to know who has or has not taken the jab, everyone will be required to wear a mask while in the building. This will provide a feel good sense of safety. If infection rates remain low, they will start to bring in more staff. If they rise, they will re-evaluate. You all must remember, "We are better together". Glad to be retiring at the end of the year.
You're talking about a coronavirus. They mutate regularly. That's what they do. The jabs aren't vaccines an they can't protect you from "variants" anymore than than surgical masks or a six foot distance ( proven by MIT researchers to be nonsense). So stop claiming that you know your head from your a$$ when it comes to medical science. And stop trying to speak to the majority about doing it for others. It's all complete b.s.
The utter b.s. is your temper tantrum and name-calling tirade. Your fear NEVER outweighs MY rights to make my own medical decisions. If you don't like it, stay in your hermit cave and POUND SAND!!!!!
Cry all you want. People that are able to think for themselves won’t be be pressured into medical experimentation with childish name calling. You know what’s selfish and stupid? Believing everything you see on tv because it helps you feel important.
You sound like a CCP spokesperson. Take your Maoist methods else where. If that goes over your head, look it up. In fact do yourself a favor and search for it on google.com and on brave.com. You just might be forced to admit American media is heavily propaganda sponsored by our government and major tech. Also look up some of those terms you attempted to use to shame people who disagree with you. You may also be forced to learn what the term “projection” means.
If what you say is true and the vaxed can still be infected by some "non vaxer", then what's the point of any of it? You will NEVER vaccinate the entire population. You're dreaming if you think you can, so that being said why bother? Those who are afraid should stay in there homes and only come out with respirators and make essential errands only. Shutting down the economy didn't stop it, neither did lockdowns for a week to uh...you know, flatten the curve. Vaccines apparently don't work either so what is the solution? I'll tell you. Live your life like you always have. Humans will build up immunity or they won't; but making it sh"tty for the entire population isn't solving anything.
There is no pandemic.
The homeless population is wildly unaffected. These people are the canary in the coal mine. Somehow they are totally fine.... so ya. No pandemic in sight. Also... States and countries that ignored the lockdown mentality are fine.
People died of a flu that was given horrific standards of care. Instead of a steroids treatment, they blow peoples lungs out with ventilators. Instead allowing the use of HCQ (been used for decades as a prophylactic for malaria), they banned it. Instead of encouraging people to get outside in the sun, they told people to stay inside. 80% of the death had extreme vit D deficiencies. That’s a strong correlation that should have been explored.
Anyone that says “we’ll just go get another job if they require the jab”, I say you never understood what it means to stand for your principles. I refuse to be pressured into any medical treatment for a virus I have zero percent chance of dying from. Already had covid. I will fight, legally and by any other means, for as long as I can. I’ve already consulted lawyers. I hope more do the same.
And for the person crying over unvaccinated people creating variants, good job regurgitating your MSM talking points. People who are naturally immune protect you people who prefer ingest big pharma products as an immune substitute. Look up or-l polio vaccine in Africa and the HPV vaccine in India. They were experimental. Look what was promised and how it turned out. While your at it, look up how many billions these companies have shelled out in lawsuits from making false claims. They have no liability with vaccines so I’m suuuuure they will be honest now.
@mpr is absolutely not correct. The unvaccinated population is a breeding ground for variants which can perpetuate the pandemic by spreading back into the vaccinated population. The "hesitant" should get vaccinated for the good of society, not for their personal self-interest. The global population needs to get vaccinated to a high percentage to end this pandemic. Do you want to end the pandemic? If your answer is yes, please get vaccinated.
Excellent information and resources for those who be subjugated to mandatory COVID-fascism:
@mpr you are only correct. Unvaccinated folks would most likely infect other unvaccinated folks but you think that is the end of the story?
What about the costs to the various businesses and customers?
Redmond had to do a stand down because many got infected and it was because of those not complying with the safety measures. Those folks are also paying a price.
I know there will be those that will say just let us work from home then. I get that but I also see the other side. Many of my team "have to run an errand" multiple times a week. I know this because they tell me. So there usually is more than one side to the story.
And for being an "experimental" dr-g I'd say a Fer hundred jabs kinda doesn't make it experimental and it is working around the world.
And deaths from a jab are extremely rare. One should check more than one favorite website.
I believe in freedom of choice so if anyone doesn't like what any specific company is doing step up, be proud, and leave the company.
Not many of you will tale that action.
Please force the vaccine on me! I hope to get side effects so I can sue each and every manager up to daiiaaasss personally.
No vax for me! If required to come back on site, then it's bye bye HON. Take your experimental dr-gs and try them on some other serf.
For those of us who are still here. We all have our reasons. Honeywell can continue to layoff, demand more eei, process, whatever within legal bounds. And we can quit any time if we dont like it. Love this free country, which is why so many still want to come here.
Some schools are requiring students to be vax to get on campus in the fall, or learn remote or find another college
@bfm HON can mandate whatever they want.
You can refuse to do whatever you don't want to do.
But, we are all pretty much employed at-will.
If you want to take them to court after your termination feel free.
Keep in mind that their legal department probably outweighs yours.
The future scenario, at best, is that the "for profit" booster shots of this ineffectual, and proven dangerous injection will be a golden goose for Pharma, and in the shadows, corrupt politicians. At worst, it's a marinade for the near future Soylent Green cracker factories.
Funny, how the health and safety of those with high risk health conditions were their own responsibility 18 months ago.
If you're vaccinated your now immune and the unvaccinated are no longer a threat to you. The unvaccinated are only a threat to themselves or other unvaccinated people. It is a choice the unvaccinated make and are responsible for. The vaccinated are no longer at risk and therefore have no right to weigh in on the personal choices of those choosing not to get it.
@qrm, kindly share with us your tips for critically thinking through this unprecedented dilemma.
Breaking: OSHA says employers may be liable for ‘any adverse reaction’ from mandated coronavirus shots
Whether or not mandatory vax is legal or ethical, the nation, as a majority, is going to make it very difficult to travel, shop, or engage in recreational activities without it. Choose not to get it, and your (freedoms) will be limited.
@yaw oh you mean the cdc numbers that are based off a PCR test run at 40 cycles which they finally admitted in January of this year that it over inflated the false positives so they reduced the cycle count to 28 in order to get more accurate results? Those numbers? Which means most likely the “asymptomatic” people last year where most likely the false positives?
Or also the numbers that show only 5% of the people the cdc claims died of covid died of covid alone? Meaning if you didn’t have the average 2.6 co-morbidites, the total deaths are reduced by 95%?
Or do you mean the number of vaccine deaths that no one is reporting on? Even poorly updated VAERS system shows shows that the covid vaccine has ki---d more people than all other vaccines in the past 20 years.
Or maybe you mean huge numbers associated with the survival of covid?? The huge percentage of people that survive it even with the inflated false positive reporting. And now those people have a natural immunity and don’t need a vaccine.
So many number to address! All this info is out there! If you believe you need a 94% effective experimental vaccine with insane side effects for a virus with a 99.8% survival, you’re a special kind of person. And you are helping to usher in the social credit system used by the CCP. It starts with the vaccine passport. Please look beyond what the MSM is told to regurgitate!!
@jze - I read that around 50% of the USMC don't want the experimental jab and that Uncle Joe is looking into forcing them! If this goes through and they keep pushing woke marxist theory, morale, recruitment and retention will go in the cr----r. Our enemies foreign and domestic must be laughing their a$$es off!
In the military I had to take many vaxs but they were ALL FDA approved and had been in use for many years so the short & long term side effects were well documented. Since I got out and got my constitutional rights back I now make my own risk assessments on medical issues. Anyone who claims to have served and tells you to take experimental vaxs without using critical thinking skills is either a poser troll or of the Nuremberg mindset that promotes obeying unlawful orders -- just because.
@ccy: It might have something to do with the 592,000+ people to date that have succumbed to COVID in the last 14 months in the USA. Those people all had families that loved them. Get a clue.
HON can't mandate a vaccination that is only approved for emergency use. They can't even ask you for that info. as it is protected by federal HIPPA regulations and that is why they could only ask you to self report if you wanted to. If there was a mandate it would probably lead to an average of 10% of the workforce leaving in the US!
Why do they need to push a vaccine for a virus with an average survival of 99.8%?? Because it isn’t about the virus. If you subject yourself to being a lab rat don’t be mad at the people who decide against it.
I personally know several people who have had side effects of numbness, Bell’s palsy, and migraines. The long term effects are still to be determined.
I also directly know one person that is able to stick a magnet to the injection site but no where else on their arm. No clue what this means but doesn’t sound right!!
Bill Gates has been preaching population control for years. Why would it be a surprise that his foundation had a hand in producing something that is a means to that end??
Fk this vaccine! And fk anyone who wants to force it on people!
@msp: Well said and I agree with you. My elderly mother lives in my home. She's been vax'd and so have I with no problems. For the last year I've been very concerned about doing anything that may get myself infected and pass it on to her.
I realize it should be a personal choice. My choice was to get it so I won't worry about whether the people around me are vaccinated or wearing masks.
Despite the about-face in CDC guidelines on masks for those who have been vaccinated, I still choose to wear a mask in public so as not to upset those who want to be vaccinated but have not been able to yet. Peace.
This follows why The Doctors are stating that masking policy in light of the new CDC guidelines is under review -- that is by LEGAL!
Depending on what the Feds do, and what state you live in (libre or esclave), will have bearing on this Orwellian encroachment on your freedom. There may also be exemptions for religious reasons, state legislatures intervening to prevent it, and class-action lawsuits.
If they can't mask you, they will vax you into submission and that is why it is likely that even if you have T-cell natural immunity (as good or better than the vax), you still must submit. Even as their Directors admitted last week before Congress, appox. 50% of CDC & FDA employees do not want the shot! Ask Eric Clapton & Chelsea Handler to name a few.
Beware, as only Doublethink & Newspeak discussion of Covid are permitted here, and this will likely be deleted, as has happened in the past week in regards to the post on temp checks at DV.
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I've had the Moderna vaccine. The first in mid March, the second in mid April with no problems. It's not a big deal. Get the vaccine and move on. It's not worth any future issues with your job.
In order to enter into certain countries for HON's customer projects, I had to get vaccinated for a variety of diseases. This has been the case for YEARS. Saying no was never an option unless I quit.
When I return to the office I want everyone to be vaccinated for Covid. Just my two cents worth.
They are just looking for ways to get more people off the payroll. This will do it, one way or another.
I heard June 15, no Covid vax and you won't be allowed in the facilities.
They can do whatever they want. I've had my Covid vac's, it's not a big deal and anyone can be replaced. You wouldn't believe the vac's I had to get to go overseas in the military. No choice on that one either.