Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Bro, just read the requirements it's not that hard

It fulfills that part of the requirements for Real ID. Maybe someone does have to reasonably intelligent to obtain a Real ID. It helps to be able to read and comprehend what is required

And you proved your own point. It helps to be able to read and comprehend what is required. It requires a Social Security card AND two supporting documents. We don't have TWO supporting documents that are acceptable for a Real ID as I said below.

Between the two pages, they have conflicting information. Which page is correct? I read, and comprehended the page I found. I just didn't keep searching for another page that listed a separate list of documents. Whatever. It makes my point that it's too damn complicated in the US to get ID's.

4krc+1ajjh4GE the link you have https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/help/Pages/proving-identity.aspx is for proof of age for the Real ID.

It fulfills that part of the requirements for Real ID. Maybe someone does have to reasonably intelligent to obtain a Real ID. It helps to be able to read and comprehend what is required

"Being reasonably intelligent HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABILITY TO GET AN ID. g-d, people like you p–s me off." And the river get more water from your crying. Get back to the help desk....

Yeah, well blame it on Bill Clinton, Bush and Obama who pushed the OECD to tighten up ID laws worldwide because “money laundering” and “te—t financing”. Just like I’m currently being threatened with having my bank account frozen because of US FATCA and FINCA laws (I don’t live anywhere near the US).

I have no sympathy and if you weren’t such an anti-government blowhard, you mightn’t have this problem.

You don't know me. I'm not an anti-government blowhard. I'm just against government stupidity. It's the political parties weaponizing the government and getting ID's against people not in their party that I'm against.

I want it easier to GET an ID, but then people claim that it's too easy to commit voter fraud by making it too easy to get an ID, so they want it harder to get one.

Thanks for that link @3wag+1ajjh4GE.

My license expired last year in NC. There is an expiration date on the license and i received letters from the DMV to renew 1 year, 6months, and 3months ahead of the expiration.

I didn't get ANY letters from DMV to renew and neither did my daughter.

Here is the URL of the page that I found and quoted.
https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/help/Pages/proving-identity.aspx

The NC DMV sux. Based on your URL, I should be able to get the correct docs, but based on my URL, I can't.

Read the Read ID documents for yourself

https://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/nc-real-id/Pages/requirements.aspx

School documents are accepted, as well as government documents; even a letter from a homeless shelter.

My license expired last year in NC. There is an expiration date on the license and i received letters from the DMV to renew 1 year, 6months, and 3months ahead of the expiration.

All the problems you outline result from the fact that the USA does not have an efficient and trustable ID system. They are trying to fix that with Real ID. Most countries (even English speaking ones that also do not like ID cards) did this 20-30 years ago (I think it was originally an idea of the US pushed upon the OECD members to stop money laundering). I also had problems back then with this sort of stuff. I was not able to open a bank account in Australia with a PASSPORT as iD. I have no sympathy and if you weren’t such an anti-government blowhard, you mightn’t have this problem.

For those thinking voter IDs can't be successfully enforced, apparently you haven't opened a bank account, flown on a plane, gone out of the country, filed for social security, gone to the doctor, anything that a reasonably intelligent person born in the last 75 years has done.

Yeah, the new rules around getting ID's is making it harder to get one. And then it becomes impossible to do things like open a bank account, fly on a plane or get social security when you get old enough. However, seeing a doctor does NOT require an ID.

My daughter is more than reasonably intelligent. However, the NC DMV was effectively closed during the month of March 2020 when my daughter's Real ID expired. The DMV failed to mail a reminder that it was expiring and we didn't realize it was expiring until it was already expired. Once her ID expired, the DMV will NOT allow on-line renewal and requires IN-PERSON renewal. However, you CAN renew an expired driver's license for up to two years after it expires online. Go figure. In order to renew, she must provide a social security card and two forms of ID that prove age and identity. We have her Social Security card and birth certificate. Here is the list of acceptable documents according to the NC DMV:

• Birth certificate (We have this)
• Valid, unexpired US Passport (We don't have one)
• Valid, unexpired foreign passport (N/A, she's a US citizen)
• Valid, unexpired Real ID (It's fu—g expired!)
• Motor vehicle driving record (She's never had a driver's license due to vision issues and can't get one, hence the ID instead of a driver's license)
• School documents (Not acceptable for a Real ID, so she can't get an ID valid to fly!)
• Unexpired US Military ID (Nope, the military won't accept her for the same reasons she can't get a driver's license!)
• US government documents (Not acceptable for Real ID)
• Court documents (Not acceptable for Real ID)

So, fu—g tell me HOW is she supposed to GET a fu—g Real ID so she can fly, open a bank account (which she already has!), leave the country or most importantly, VOTE?

Without a fu—g unexpired ID, you can't get a new ID. But during the pandemic, we had other things on our mind and didn't realize hers was expiring. And I just realized that MY driver's license has been expired for 8 months! But I was able to renew that online with just a few mouse clicks. You'd think it would be the opposite, that you could renew an ID after it expired, because really, all it does is say who you are. Do you really expire and become someone else?!? Driving on the other hand, especially if you have a restriction for corrective lenses, no problem, just renew that and click the button saying that your vision is still fine without any sort of test. We trust you to not lie. We trust that you haven't gotten too old and senile to be able to drive, or that your vision hasn't really has gotten so bad you can't see. Give us your money and we'll gladly mail you a driver's license.

Being reasonably intelligent HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABILITY TO GET AN ID. g-d, people like you p–s me off.

Two years ago, in order to get her initial Real ID in preparation for the flying cutoff without a Real ID, NC required two documents as proof of residency. At that time, she lived at home, so her name was not on the mortgage. I mean, what k-d co-signs a mortgage of their parent's home loan. All of our utilities were in my name, not mine & my wife's name because I was the one that set it all up and no one would put her name on it without speaking to her and she wasn't available while I was making all the calls to setup the utilities. She had a banking account, which had our address on it, so that was one proof. I ended up having to add a second phone line for a couple of months under her name just to get a utility in her name, get the bill, and drop the service. Cost me $120 for 3 months service. People living on minimum wage and working multiple jobs can't waste $120 just to get an ID.

We need reform, or a standard set of rules across all states for getting an ID. I remember moving to Virginia a couple of years after 9/11. We stayed there for a year while I was working on a "per diem" status and were maintaining our non-Virginia state residency. When the first year ended, we ended up staying in Virginia and having to become residents and get new driver's licenses. Because I move there first, all the utilities & apartment lease were in my name. My daughter was under age 15, so she didn't need anything but my wife couldn't provide the huge list of documents that Virginia started requiring as a fallout from most of the 9/11 terrorists having ID's issued from Virginia. She kept her out-of-state license for another year until we moved to a new residence and could put her name on some utilities to get enough documentation. If we hadn't waited, the switch over in utilities would have cost a lot of unnecessary money we didn't want to throw away.

Once again, those who don't want to be screened, who don't like the company's position on voting or whatever can always quit and try to find a job at a company that aligns with their values.

3) OK, so no ID required at the poles, anyone can just walk up and vote but you can't enter the building without a Covid passport?

If you're concerned with getting sick, wear you own mask and stop telling me what to do...

When you walk up to vote (under the current rules in my state, YMMV), you can't just vote. You have to provide matching information that they have on record. Can a determined person vote for someone else IF they know that info, sure. Can illegal voting on a mass scale occur, no. So what's the point of having to show an ID that is hard to get for some people?

I am concerned about getting sick, somewhat for me, but more so for the risk of giving it to my family who is even more at risk than I am of having a severe case requiring hospitalization. I DO wear a mask, but in a work place, where I have to go in order to earn a wage to provide for my family and I have to sit where they tell me to, then I expect everyone to take REASONABLE precautions to prevent the spread of ANY illness, including the flu.

You're being selfish and only caring about yourself.

Jackasses who come to work when they've been exposed to their kids who caught the flu at school, but they don't yet feel sick and end up giving me/others the flu causing us to lose days of work and income are the same thing. Think about others and if you're exposed, stay home when possible.

Do you want to sit next to me without a mask if I have COVID? How do you know I don't have it if businesses don't screen their workers?

"My problem with Voter ID is multifold"

1) Your problem is the fact that we don't have national ID (I am for this)

2) You couldn't handle an ill advised ID checker (I have no problem with removing these people from pole positions)

3) OK, so no ID required at the poles, anyone can just walk up and vote but you can't enter the building without a Covid passport?

If you're concerned with getting sick, wear you own mask and stop telling me what to do...

You can't check an ID to vote, you have to accept a signature no one can verify. On the other hand you want to allow businesses to refuse service or to release employees who don't have a vaccine passport??

Think about what you are asking for....

IF a particular party wasn't so h–lbent on enforcing ID's to vote and verifying signatures, then I might agree with you.

My problem with Voter ID is multifold. First, when NC first implemented it before it was overturned, I took a Veteran's ID card issued by the Veteran's Administration with me. The person checking ID refused to let me vote saying my ID was not acceptable & that I needed a driver's license even though the sign behind him clearly and explicitly said that ANY photo ID issued by a government agency was acceptable AND listed a VA ID card as an example. Second, my daughter has moved into an apartment where someone needed to share costs due to fewer working hours. She's not on the lease, she doesn't have any utilities in her name, so she can't provide the multiple forms of proof of residency to get her ID (renewed) because it expired during the initial phase of the pandemic shutdown and the DMV was closed and failed to mail her a reminder that it was expiring.

My problem with signature validation is that I rarely sign things the same way twice. My daughter has a physical disability that affects her handwriting, so her signatures look very different from one to the next. We would both be disqualified by signature verification.

I fully expect ANY company to release any/all employees who do not follow safety policies, requirements, etc. Do you want someone who is sick handling your food? Do you want someone who is sick sitting right next to you in Cisco's tiny cubicals now that they are "open and collaborative" and have no privacy? As Cisco moved to the open floor spaces, the flu would spread more rapidly though the office.

You can't check an ID to vote, you have to accept a signature no one can verify. On the other hand you want to allow businesses to refuse service or to release employees who don't have a vaccine passport??

Think about what you are asking for....

Cisco is an "at will" Company. You don't want to be screened, they can show you the door because they don't need a reason to terminate you.

Why are you so against screening? I can understand people refusing to be vaccinated as a condition to returning to work, but screening?

Go away Karen/Ken.

Where is it written in the US Constitution that people can't be screened for contagious diseases as a condition to enter private property?

Try turning off Fox Nuze and educate yourself.

Good talk.

And you will lose. Sorry, prevailing legal opinion is that it would be allowed.