Not often, but occasionally. I'm sure there are good people among them who hate what they have to do for the company but do it to bring home the paycheck. They know they're losing a part of their soul every time they have to lay off a good employe or lie on an employee's review. It can't be easy. But then I remember the laid off/PIPed employees and all the sympathy vanishes.
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Actually I haven’t been a supervisor for long. I’ve spent most my career technical. I am already getting offers so I don’t fear my skills are out of date. I’m planning to chose when I leave rather than wait to be NSI’d. I suggest others do the same.
I don't even feel the slightest bit sorry for you. Don't worry though. You may feel like you have the power here (realistically, you have nothing), but you are worthless to the rest of the world. No skills, not talents to transfer out.
Once the company is done with you, you will have a hard time finding a job. You will be long forgotten, just like those that you throw into NSI. I envy the day that you are thrown into the s––t. NSI for being spineless worthless employee.
So true! My boss absolutely feared his boss. His entire job was catering to her, and massaging every document that went to her. I had no problem telling her when she was wrong about something (and that was a lot, she was the most clueless exec I’ve ever met). Probably why I didn’t “fit” the company and was selected for the layoff, lol.
@2xxw+1aoWHUeE - i should have been more clear. Not only do the supervisors not question stupid ideas from their managers but act like the idea is the best since sliced bread. They act like smitten cheerleaders.
That is the reason XOM has ended up concocting this toxic koolaid and there is no end in sight until the leadership is kicked out or the company implodes. One of this will happen sooner or later.
If you want to call an idea out as stupid it is often best to do it one on one rather than embarrass someone in front of a group. It is also more effective. If you call them out in a group they are more likely to dig in to save face. Your supervisor may be doing this and you just don’t know.
I do the ranking as fairly as I can yes. I stand by my comment. Would you have me not try to do it as fairly as possible? Would you rather I not even try?
Not seeing any ideas here just a bunch of bi–––––g and one off bad experience complaining. Newsflash. You will have cr–––y supervisors every now and again at any company. You will also have good ones. It’s called life.
All I am saying is people seem to want someone to blame and go to the supervisor because they can’t fathom that they just may have actually been the lowest performing person on their team. Does this mean they are a bad employee? No. It just means others were better. Tough pill to swallow I know. I also understand how hard it is to decide who stays and who goes and likely supervisors don’t get it right every time.
If you think you could do such a better job why aren’t you asking to be a supervisor? Everyone acts like it is easy and if they were the supervisor they would set things straight somehow. I’d like to see you try. Supervisors aren’t evil.
Over generalizing that all supervisors don’t question managers. I’ve done it including at times where I was putting my job and ranking at risk because unfelt it was the right thing to do. Most recent example was to stand up for a member of my team. I went three levels above my boss to finally get done what needed to be done.
Actually I don’t know that I am protected. I’ve seen supervisors be PIPd. I don’t feel any special privileges or protection. I worry about being fired as well.
I am not saying I have to do anything. I chose to do it. I could quit just like anyone else.
Yes I am too low on the totem pole to change it. Just like all the other supervisors who are continually called names on this forum for not changing the system.
I’ve never yelled at anyone at work. I’ve never seen a supervisor yell at anyone. I did see a supposed technical SME yell and berate a grouping contractors when I was a new hire and I thought it was uncalled for.
@2kev+1aoWHUeE - here’s a specific action for supervisors.... grow a spine. Supervisors preach “courage of conviction” to their team members. But, in meetings, don’t have the courage to even politely question stupid ideas or processes proposed by their managers.
But this too much to expect because they have been made supervisors specifically for being spineless yes-men.
Now we all know you're just a d––k. You're too low on the totem pole to actually make any real changes to the process anyway.
But coming on here and saying you do it fairly and as best you can and we all know the process is horsesh–t. You know YOU are protected from all this and your petty comments on the process just helps you to sleep at night on how you had to go about it.
ID: @2kev+1aoWHUeE Here’s an idea. A supervisor can at least restrain herself from yelling at someone who asks about their ranking. People who are that childish and immature are not fit to be supervisors. It is not her staff’s job to play the adult to soothe and calm her ego every time she throws a temper tantrum. I’m glad I quit and got out of this sick, toxic company run by bullies.
I’ve heard people make comments like I want to work for a supervisor who gets his whole team ranked high. You know someone who is a real as....e and just plows over the other supervisors in the rank meeting. I don’t think this is realistic though. What if all the supervisors in the meeting are as.....s? What if you are reporting to someone who isn’t an as....e? Selfish to say I want to be in a group that is ranked high just because of the as....e supervisor and let other groups unfairly take the pain.
Waiting for actual specific ideas that are realistic and would result in change not just down votes on the ask for ideas.
If you think your front line supervisor can change the system you’ve been watching too many Hallmark channel movies.
What would you have supervisors do differently?
- be specific
- if it results in supervisor losing job I don’t see how that can result in change
What would you have non-supervisors do differently?
- be specific
- if it results in non-supervisor losing job I do t see how that can result in change
I fully accept the day may come where I am deemed NSI. That doesn’t take away the each year someone has to be NSI. If not you then it would have been someone else. Your contention seems to be but it shouldn’t have been me and all supervisors should quit? Everyone complains about supervisors on here but no one describes specifically what a supervisor could realistically do different or better. If anyone has actual ideas share them. I am listening. I can’t change the system. I try to administer it fairly. If you can’t live with that you probably are better off quitting.
Majority of cuts are personal issues, rather than quality/quantity of work.
He burped on the kool-aid, she wears high heels over thick knees.
When asked to do a 360 review, I ask 'how long is the machete?'
Letting it all ride out. Nature take its course. I won't be here.
It is personal.
I was part of the December/February layoffs. I really liked all of the supervisors in my department, and my department head. I recognize that they had no say in the decision, and weren't asked, they just were given a list of people to layoff. I really do feel for them.
@fgr+1aoWHUeE - I agree that they know what they signed up for, but at the same time, when there are 5-7 levels of management above you, how can you realistically make any effective change? I'm not saying to give them a complete pass, but when decent ideas are reflexively dismissed by a VP because it didn't come from their pocket yes man, it's hard for me to blame a second line
Proud of you!
Funny. Just because I’m a supervisor people assume I drink the coolaid but I’m here complaining as well and looking for a job. In the meantime the show must go on. Don’t be surprised that I do my job at Exxon until keave
So basically you want your supervisor to be fired along with you because that is what would happen if they did what you suggest.
All the things you describe are not new. Company has been doing it for years to others. Funny how people get all self righteous and notice once it impacts them.
How exactly do you use KOs and EADS to do that? I’m not buying it. Be specific.
Good for you. I am looking for a different job as well. I’ve applied to a few but am still looking. Until then I will do my best to administer a flawed system the way I would want it to be done if I wasn’t a supervisor. Golden rule. I didn’t expect my supervisor to fall in their sword when unwatchable individual contributor.
Supervisor here. I’m not going to apologize for doing my job. We all know how the system works. We can leave or stay. You were fine with it until you were put in NSI. If you hadn’t been put as NSI someone else would have been and they would be complaining instead of you. I do my best to rank best to worst performance as the system requires.
I do not feel bad for a manager/supervisor I have worked with for 20 years lying to me. It would be different if they were honest and said "I was told to cut you. You are a good employee and I am not going to lie and tell you otherwise. And I will give you a good reference while you search for another job." Instead, there are all kinds of vague false criticisms, followed by "you are no longer valuable" and/or "you are not a good fit for the company." Then we are told to sign a waiver saying that they cannot give us a reference. There is a more humane way of cutting employees, including calling it a "layoff" and paying appropriate severance for a 25 year employee instead of PIP telling us we are a performance problem. I have no sympathy for these weak souls who treat their subordinates like a piece of trash.
@1nyl+1aoWHUeE Oh, I did. I left for a better opportunity at a company that values their employees. So, the tables turn back to you. What will YOU do? Tick tock tick tock.
Let me throw that back in your face. By your logic by completing your EADS and providing KOs you are just as guilt as your supervisor. So why don’t you show this courage you speak of and not participate?
I have no sympathy for supervisors who just play within the set of rules they’re dealt. How does change happen? By pushing beyond set boundaries to make something different and for the better, at the potential cost of your livelihood, something called leadership. Until you can take that step, you’re just towing the line. Don’t give us this s-b story of how you are now facing having to make horrible decisions because “the man” told you so. If you don’t agree with it, don’t do it. If you’re forced to do something unethical, resign. That’s real leadership. You said yes to the “opportunity”and now you’re responsible for that decision. GTFO.
I am a first line supervisor. I’ve actually thought a lot about the guard question. I was ready to quit recently over something I was told to do but in the end my management gave in and I didn’t have to do the aweful nasty thing they wanted me to do. I try to do my job as fairly as possible recognizing the requirements of the system. I try to explain the system to others. I have no hope the system will change. I encourage others to decide if they want to stay at ExxonMobil or leave recognizing we do ranking every year.
Do you really think a first line supervisor can change the system? What would you have them do?
No sympathy or mercy for bloody managers. Like HR, they are also HQ pets.
They knew what they signed up for. If they wanted to make real change, they would have done it. Most just towing the line, give them no slack.
Do we extend the same feelings towards the perpetrators of crime during war though? Don’t we always say that “I was just doing my job isn’t an excuse” and subject them to punishment? Do we say, I am sure there were some nice folks in there?
I know the comparison may be extreme but even those prison guards were doing their job and following orders to bring home a pay check!
Sometimes I feel sorry for them too, but then I remember that they still have job security while ours has been stripped away.
I also feel for some Spv/Mgr folks in the company.
Those that weren't initially sociopathic narcissists, but acquired those necessary traits.
This will of course be reflected in their lives away from work as well.
Treatment of their family and friends.
Sad road to travel.
Leaders have courage to do what is right even at their own peril or inconvenience.
Very very few leaders in this company....overflow of supervisors and managers however....
Supervisors and Managers are good in their own right and a necessary evil but just don’t bring what a leader brings to the table....