Not here, I haven't seen this discussed that much here, but most of the people I work with directly are openly hostile to any and all newcomers. Yes, these might be fresh college grads with no experience but it's not their fault IBM will only hire people who are willing to settle for the pay they're willing to offer. If nothing else, I feel sorry for them. No training, cr-p pay, and new coworkers who actively despise them. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, that's for sure.
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The math was done by the following site. And no they don't work for IBM.
bestplaces.net
A salary of $35,000 in Owensboro, Kentucky should increase to $86,284 in NYC.
(told ya)
Looks like you're wearing the dunce cap today bluebird.
LOL, You math is horrible. I hope you don't still work at IBM
In NYC $80k is = to earning $35k in Kentucky so you just proved my point.
Lol when was that? 1987?.
New hires in NYC are making 80k+
"new hires coming out of college are actually making pretty good salary at ibm"
Most new hires I worked with were around $28k-$35k starting salary.
That might be good to some, but guess it depends on where you live.
Hate to break it to you.. it wasn’t the media and gubermemt... it is their parents that still told them to go to college and It’s the price of college which is the problem.
Also, news flash... the new hires coming out of college are actually making pretty good salary at ibm. You should do some research on that mate.
I don’t hate the newbies, I pity them. Think about how gullible this new young generation has been to let the media and politician controlled education system brainwash them into truly believing that it was a great idea to rack up college debt in a level far higher than our generation ever did, while at the same time under-valuing their skills at graduation in a booming tech world to a level where they make so much less than us older folks did at their age. They are the pivotal generation who will not do better as a whole than their parents because they collectively sold themselves short. They are the new “off-shore” strategy of the corporations... the cheap labor source that is politically correct because they are here in the USA. I banked a 6% match for almost 2 decades, while they collect 2% on a far lower income. Pity them, because as we are retired out, it is not our high income tax dollars that will bail them out either. My Roth was already taxed...
It's because they ain't your brah, bro ;)
Youngsters can never reach the earning potential most the old timers achieved in years past because they have overhauled everything. I worked with several young kids who were at $35k annually. That’s nothing to bragging about. That was what some of us made in differential pay alone each year. And just stop with the latest technology because we’re talking IBM here so you can’t fool us.
Yes. 1000% nailed it.
What I've found is there are two groups of old employees, one group that continues to progress their career and learn about new things and a second group that wants to show up, collect a fat pay check, put in as little work as possible, socialize, and then go home. The first group likes the new people because they bring life back to the organization whereas the second group loves complicated bureaucracy and doesn't care about delivering anything as long as they still get paid.
Personal feelings allowed.
Can confirm.
I am the one who posted the "old timer complaining" comment under @tcw.
To those that disliked what I said there:
- I dislike that too myself. I do know it is the company to be mad at, not the newcomers.
- my post was to explain the feelings. Yes those feelings are irrational to some extent. But believe me, after having your entire team (more teams in more departments, actually) recycle multiple times and you staying as the last one, having to train dozens of newcomers all over the world repeatedly, the last thing you want is more newcomers. So for you newcomers that expect that we are oh-so excited over having you - not necessarily. Depends on the background, which is obviously not the newcomer's fault but affects the others.
Dear old timer complaining in the middle... you’ve learned knowledge over the course of 10+ years. Yet you expect a new hire to know it all immediately.
That is illogical and clear sign of bitterness. Us young employees ARE replacing you. At one point you weethe young noob. Let’s not forget that. And some day the new young employee will be the old timer.
(Just kidding. We won’t because ibm won’t last that long)
GBS has always been the ugly red headed step child of IBM so not surprised.
Consulting has never been their forte.
Not in GBS. Everybody is young or new. Everyone else left or got RAed already. Reality has been exactly the opposite - so much hate for career IBMers. If you've been with IBM awhile, you are automatically considered a lower performer (and a career loser). Irony is, most 'new' people don't survive and few who do, become career IBMers and hated by 'new new' people. Comedy.
Young employee's are mostly interns or paid extremely low salaries.
They will never reach the same level of income of old IBMers.
My last few managers did not make half of what some old IBMers earn.
A lot of people are disappointed in their careers and want somebody else to blame: bad managers, nepotism, Band 10s, DEs, foreigners, newcomers...
Unfortunately this is nothing new. When I worked at HPE many years ago I knew somebody who constantly complained that even though she had gone to Oxford, people from much lesser universities were getting promoted ahead of her.
Resent the company not the innocent newcomers. Indian, white, black. We're all just trying to put food on the table and keep the dang lights on.
When I am angry about all the newcomers, it is out of very understandable frustration.
One: they replace previous older colleagues,often old friends, and they are nowhere close to them in terms of skills and everything. I am angry why there are those new folks and not my (RA-ed) friends.
Two: they require lots of effort to put them up to speed. In attempts to train them, some turn out to be "resistant to education" and others (typically those more promising ones) leave after a couple months and have us repeat all the process again.
So, if the new ones would like to be loved from day one, they would need to
- look and talk like the old colleague (or, a bunch of old colleagues) who they replaced
- know everything immediately with no need of knowledge transfer
- stay at least 5-10 years and be clear about that
I don't think it's really hate for the young...
It's the way this industry devalues older workers... unlike other industries where time on the job equals higher rank and pay, instead of "obsolescence".
Unfortunately the churn in technology leads to this... quite logically unfortunately...
Imagine you have an oldster... he's been working the mainframes for 40 years... mastered them... and an opening for Cloud comes along... are you going to take Oscar Oldster... put him on a learning curve for cloud... and put the recent college grad into the mainframe slot to earn his way up???
Of course not... then you'd have two people on learning curves and being incompetent for a time...
So Oscar Oldster is left to rot in place... while Ned Newbie gets to start into the new stuff... often at same or higher pay...
That's a prescription for resentment generally not found in other industries...
It’s rooted in fear that they’ll be replaced by these younger folk.