Thread regarding DeVry Inc. layoffs

The Great Master's Degree Swindle

"If you want to pay more and get less go to a for-profit school like DeVry, the University of Phoenix, or Purdue Global."

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-great-masters-degree-swindle

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@You Have To Consider The Successes Sonetimes, I hear you. And DeVry has mixed results judging from the College Scorecard, College Navigator, and IPEDS data and comparing it to other schools that target working people. That's why a return to Gainful Employment with an extension to all programs, non-profit as well as for-profit, should be implemented.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/search/?search=devry&page=0&sort=completion_rate:desc&toggle=institutions

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“At the bar, we bitched and complained….”

Yeah, I saw that post from the NY Admissions scumbag, too. Glad that person had a moral awakening eventually but it was likely too late to be helpful. I don’t feel guilty for teaching students a useful, marketable skill. But I do feel ashamed to hear this story from former co-workers. I left as soon as I could when things went really downhill. Faculty at my location did not share this perspective of exploitation or predatory recruitment—we were not involved in admissions decisions. We simply taught students how to do useful, marketable things.

But you just literally asked if we were alcoholic, dr-g-using wife beaters. Don’t you see a problem with that approach? Those kinds of statements end conversations and create anger and hostility. They don’t solve problems. Anyway, that NY person talked about going for drinks with colleagues…it doesn’t mean that he or she had a drinking problem.

Seems like you have the ability to think rationally and put together a balanced perspective when you put your mind to it. What are some ways that you could be more successful in your crusade without harming the reputations of former students who are doing well? Provide a more balanced approach than strict demonization of former students and employees, especially faculty. Some grads have done quite well, just as there are prestige school students who may not have lived up to their potential. ($200K Art History degree from an R1 isn’t going to pay itself back.). In the end, getting a degree from anywhere creates opportunity but does not guarantee success.

DeVry opens far fewer doors by far than Harvard but the more you help create a negative perception of the educational quality of the place, the more you are helping close those doors for graduates vets and non-vets alike. I’m sure that you don’t want them to be collateral damage in your crusade against the place. Present balanced, logical arguments and people will listen to you and take you more seriously than if you accuse employees of being alcoholic dr-g addicted wife-beaters. Even a “school of last resort” approach is more balanced and sensible than a scorched earth campaign.

BTW an old friend just finished a U. Phoenix degree. She’s ex-Air Force and it helped her keep her current job. I have serious concerns about the quality of that place—and I worked at DeVry—but I would never begrudge her keeping her job or getting something useful out of a 5-week online class. Education is a process that helps the learner think and grow so who am I to say that a 16-week in-person session is the only possible way to do it? It’s her journey, her growth, her career that was boosted (or at least, maintained), and if she had gone to another school it would have been more of a burden on her work balance to get it done. People enter the education process with different skills and that does lead to different outcomes, but selective admissions can prevent roadblocks to access to education, especially where K-12 is not preparing students adequately.

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@You Are Not Welcome Here, I didn't post this. Others have told me similar stories and stories that were even more depressing.

"At the bar, we bitched and complained about how we hated that job with such a passion. I laugh when I think about it now, but it def was not funny then."

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bGjWJxD

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@Think About The Successes Sometimes,
I have been reviewing schools for a number of years, including DeVry (remember Hamburglar?). In that process, I get information from people who work at DeVry, so I know about some of the shady practices, not just in enrollment, but in financial aid. Not just anecdotes but also inside numbers and evidence. In every worker I have talked to these are people who feel guilty about what's going on. Some have been canned for asking questions. DeVry is definitely not the worst, and it has some decent programs, but overall it's a poor bargain for servicemembers, veterans, and their families. Can't blame DeVry for many of the problems, including savage inequalities in the K-12 pipeline.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?482477-DeVry-University-Illinois

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/teRRvQu

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Thanks for finally answering the question at least. So you never worked here, but were a military student and felt like you got taken advantage of? I can’t speak for other campuses but none of what you are saying about anger and alcohol was true at my campus as far as I could tell. Of course you never know everything about your students or the people that you work with. There was one vet who had PTSD and another with perceptual issues related to a combat injury. I worked with them and helped as best I could. One student I worked with did have a drinking problem but I don’t think he was military. He was a single parent. That was one that I remember of two decades worth of students. None of the folks who worked in admissions at my campus match what you were saying. We cared about our students and I did the best I could before I left.

What you don’t seem to realize is that when you keep attacking DeVry, you are saying that the programs are worthless, you are slagging all of my students, may of whom did quite well in the industries that they studied for. You are literally attacking the vets who graduated at my campus and got jobs in their field. You keep at it time and time again and you are making the problem worse for those who got through and made a career out of what they studied. Are there better options? Yes, by far. Did DeVry go further downhill in the last ten years? Undoubtedly. Did everyone who went there get swindled or ripped off? Not on my watch.

If you want to have an intelligent conversation about the topic, I am happy to entertain it. If you want to just keep slagging the place and all involved, go elsewhere.

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@ou Are Not Welcome Here, Why would I be here? Here's a clue.

https://rebootcamp.militarytimes.com/transition-tips/education/2018/10/17/8-tips-to-help-vets-pick-the-right-college/

I hear subprime college enrollment people frequently have alcohol problems, substance abuse problems, anger problems, and domestic violence issues. Is that true?

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So you worked at DeVry, right Dane? That’s why you post here all the time, trying to deal with your own guilt and blaming the rest of us for your failures. Because this site is for employees and ex-employees. Why else would you be here?

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