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Any suggestions regarding my accident

I come here often to read about our companies woes but I have a dilemma and need advice. I won't go into fine details. Within 5 years I had a company vehicle (CV) accident if you want to call it that. A sports related object sticking too far out into alley and I snagged it without any damage to CV. Lil damage to sports object also. Reported it to customer and boss. Received a day off. Recently just started setting up in an alley and parked. Wasn't moving. Within seconds a car coming in from opposite direction decided to pass me at a speed way too fast for icy conditions. I stayed in CV until he passed me bc I felt the situation warranted it. He ended up gouging the side of his car with a part of my truck which only sticks out less than an inch. NO DAMAGE TO CV! This whole situation was completely his fault but I received several days off bc of accident several years ago. I'm going to appeal this but I know my S..T union won't fight this at all. Besides hiring a lawyer, does anyone else have any simpler ideas what I can do? The time off came from above my boss's head and this is progressive which means the next possible accident can get me 30 days pending. I can't wait to leave this SH..HO-E of a company.

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Post ID: @OP+1eOZiMZ2

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FWIW. A company vehicle I was assigned to was broken into parked at a company owned location when I was working the area. I was written up and later fired. Didn't have the cojones to do anything about it and accepted the dismissal. I've since learned better. Any one try that to me again and i will fight back. Get a lawyer. As others have said, you have become a liability, you will be let go next round.

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Post ID: @2cyo+1eOZiMZ2

@2piz+1eOZiMZ2 then he gets put on a Performance Improvement Plan due to being so non productive because he's spending all his time following all the rules and procedures and isn't getting any actual work done. There is no logic to the way this company is run.

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Post ID: @2ope+1eOZiMZ2

Add extra cones, request a third party arbitration, wear your safety glasses and vest all the time. Be prepared for the supervisor to show up every day. Do not run truck unless you are driving. Use red strand strap and extra ladder belt strap when on strand. Check everything with FVD, wear rubber gloves a-lot and use ladder strap and wear new steel toed boots.

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Post ID: @2piz+1eOZiMZ2

Get a lawyer. Go after your boss for having a personal problem with you and using this as a vendetta. Once he caves use him to get an affidavit against his superiors to go after them. Going after the company is a no win for you. Going after the individuals is your only hope.

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Post ID: @1cpb+1eOZiMZ2

I suggest hiring an attorney and take them to court and prove your innocence!Then when you prove it’s not your fault the Union has to fight for your work record and back pay for being off ,then I would have them put that manager,all managers involved on the stand and let the attorney make them look like the people they are! Then I would sue for attorney fees!Why the he-l not,it’s an investment and time but you are in the right!!!

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Post ID: @1cqi+1eOZiMZ2

The safety program is in itself punitive. The safety managers and safety investigations are meant to find fault with the employee. We had a co worker fall on ice. The company hired a cut rate plow company. They didn’t salt and it was like a skating rink. Then it snowed again and covered the ice. Tech got out of their vehicle walking into the office trudging through inches of snow. Id--t safety manager kept trying to get the tech to admit he didn’t penguin walk and that was why he fell and not because it was a skating rink covered in snow. Finally his manager grew a pair and told the safety guy that was enough. Side note safety guy used to be a first level manager that gave a tech an order that could have electrocuted him, and tried writing him up for insubordination.
A different tech was slowing down coming to a stop light and was rear ended by a car coming off an expressway exit ramp extremely fast. Witnesses, re-enactments the whole thing. Begrudgingly cleared him of the accident but went through months of gps to find an incident months prior where he missed a speed limit change and did 7 over the limit. Was suspended for that because they couldn’t pin the accident on him.
The safety rules are not to protect you per se, it’s to find things to discipline you about when they are looking for a scapegoat.

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Post ID: @1cff+1eOZiMZ2

You had better be careful going forward, another incident and you will be seeking other employment opportunities. You sound like you are accident prone, time to do a deep dive into your internal safety regimine.

*To all who carefully read my post. * I WAS NOT MOVING. I WAS PARKED! I waited until a car was going go in a lot or go down the other part of the alley--- I've been driving 35 years in this company. No one knows how many accidents I avoid on a daily basis. The company will find you guilty first. I was looking for a solution help in between the union and a lawyer. I don't anything about the NLRB.

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Post ID: @1oqs+1eOZiMZ2

As they say, this place is a cesspool. Any realistically managed company realizes accidents happen from time to time and they're not always the employee's fault. AT&T's insane belief is "there are no accidents, only incidents. And all incidents are preventable. And the employee is always at fault. Even if he isn't."

This company's total adherence to group think and detachment from reality explain why it is failing.

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Post ID: @1zzy+1eOZiMZ2

2 incidents in 5 years is not so bad considering the weather conditions out there. Good drivers are hard to find and drivers like yourself are valuable to the company. At least you did not run over anybody or hurt anyone. It's only damage to vehicle. But you should have called the police and file a report. Even if there is no police report - if you claim no fault, company insurance will not pay out unless the other driver has evidence to the contrary. Other driver should have insurance that pays on his damages in such claims.

If weather conditions are bad, you should have not driven the vehicle as your safety as well as others should come first. I would not quit or get a lawyer.

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Post ID: @1jwk+1eOZiMZ2

First, was there a police report? That would be the neutral party, if there is. The insurance is also a factor. Was the other party paid by AT&T? Or, did AT&T collect from the other party.
As far as the union is concerned, it it their duty to represent you because they are the bargaining representative. You can escalate to the N.L.R.B. if they're not doing their duty. However, they'll need something to work with. Even if there is nothing to work with regarding fault, they can nevertheless grieve that the punishment is excessive.

Never heard of a stationary vehicle being the cause of an accident, unless it is stuck in the middle of a highway or something like that.

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Post ID: @yeo+1eOZiMZ2

Unfortunately, there are not many good options at this point. This company considers all its workers guilty until proven otherwise. Your union will do absolutely nothing of value to help you because they are weak and just a rubber stamp for management. It isn't worth the time and cost to hire a lawyer over.

This company is absolutely toxic and has no appreciation for its work force. The best option at this point is to polish your resume and start an account with an employment website. Every day after work send out applications. There are many companies looking for workers right now. Life is too short to be spending your days working for a company like AT&T.

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Post ID: @yke+1eOZiMZ2

You had better be careful going forward, another incident and you will be seeking other employment opportunities. You sound like you are accident prone, time to do a deep dive into your internal safety regimine.

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Post ID: @hhv+1eOZiMZ2

These kinds of things have happened to a lot of us that drive a company vehicle, including me. I would just work some OT to make up for the lost pay, even if it involves hanging out at the job site watching YouTube. Definitely not worth getting a lawyer, especially when you get the bill from them.

Otherwise keep your nose clean and prepare your resume if you really want to leave.

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Post ID: @qsz+1eOZiMZ2

Find a job that doesn’t require driving. Or take your dings like a trooper and quit the bellyaching.

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Post ID: @itd+1eOZiMZ2

It's always your fault.
"You should have taken a different route."
"Your work area protection was inadequate."
"You were driving too fast/too slow."

Tell them to remove the part on THEIR truck that seems to present a hazard to other motorists.

Nothing you say will help.
They hate all employees.
Next accident my bet is you'll be sh-t canned.
I'm the "smile, wave and run them out of $$$" guy here.
Now you know why.

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Post ID: @lzo+1eOZiMZ2

Thank you for posting this! I like hearing different concerns at T since I’m not a field tech.

One thought. Did you check to see if there were any street cameras in the alley? Might be good to see if a building tenant or number is posted to see if you can get a POC for the footage or at least ensure it isn’t recorded over.

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Post ID: @gic+1eOZiMZ2

Hmmm…..This sounds like a good question for Dear Abby or Dear Prudence. If all else fails, check with your local psychic. But here…..we can’t help you Dude!

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Post ID: @gnl+1eOZiMZ2

Here we go, another id--tic question ... serves no purpose other than to bring out the customary jerks with their asinine and vulgar responses

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Post ID: @wvi+1eOZiMZ2

The most important question on this forum ever! Are you vaccinated? If so, you're good. Blame the side effects of the jab for the accident rate.

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Post ID: @vof+1eOZiMZ2

that’s it , you triggered the topic karen

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Post ID: @zvk+1eOZiMZ2

Dude, quit posting CR-P unrelated to pending layoffs. This is not an advice & counsel forum. If you want to leave the company as you say, then do it.

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